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Old 12-05-2010, 09:44 AM   #630 (permalink)
The Fascinating Turnip
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Originally Posted by thirtiesgirl View Post
Ooh, I've been deemed "perfectly adequate" by a guy. I've done my job and obtained a modicum of acceptance. Goody. My question was why do you find my 'attitude' "arrogant, defensive and unnecessary." You haven't answered that question, merely repeated what you said before. And the answer Zaq gave me as to the point of this thread was what I suspected: it's a thread where most guys post pics of women they find physically attractive, and it has very little to do with admiration of their musical talent, creativity, personality or world view. I'm sure there are some guys who have posted pics of women in this thread that they admire for more than their looks, but the majority is all about the physical.

While I know I'm not going to change the male gaze or guys' looks-based assessment of women, what I can do is present an alternative to the many posts in this thread that are all about looks by posting pics of women with a variety of body shapes, women who I admire not just for their looks, but for their accomplishments, their creativity and talent. Which is what I did, and was then questioned by Zaq on my choice to include Beth Ditto because he doesn't find her physically attractive. Zaq further bolstered his assessment that Beth is unattractive because she's fat by posting several 'comparison pics' of Beth and thinner women. As I wrote above, if Zaq's intentions were not to offer pictorial commentary on Beth's weight as the reason he finds her unattractive, why not then post 'comparison pics' of Beth and Mama Cass, or Beth and the women from Gravy Train, Beth and Adele? Why choose slender women as his point of comparison? I've played this game for too long and seen too much sizeism disguised as other things, so I can see it when it's there. If Zaq doesn't find Beth attractive, that's his prerogative. But there's no need to continuously maintain what we already know to be true, that the general public thinks all fat people are unattractive, lazy, slovenly, unambitious, etc. Fat people receive that message every day of their lives. It might be nice to be able to have some places where we can go where that message is not reinforced, for a change.



Perhaps it's a language issue, since s_k is not a native English speaker. Regardless, I don't care who he's calling a slut, whether it's Beth or anyone else. Calling anyone a slut is unnecessary. We don't need more slut shaming going on.
You must have some sort of inferiority complex.
You were throwing around accusations of sexism and sizeism while you stood in your little pedestal.
This thread IS for people to post pictures of women (who happen to be musicians) they find physically attractive, it's not supposed to have anything to do with their talent. There are other threads for that, and it doesn't make much sense for me to go and completely derail a thread just because I don't agree with it. I'm sure there's already a thread in which this particular subject is being or was discussed.

I didn't deem you perfectly adequate, i meant that that tone was polite and I appreciated it. I don't like thinly veiled insults and you've been doing that in this thread for quite a while, being condescending and belittling everyone else.

Edit: And no, it was certainly not a language issue, don't blame your faults on someone else, you're being extremely obnoxious.
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