Both bands are pop-punk. I think pop-punk in general gets alot of slack mostly because it is more pop than punk, thats pretty obvious. If anyone remembers Blink before they added the 182 to their name, or remember Green Day when they played little hole in the wall clubs for 5 bucks a head then you would have to agree that they were punk influenced bands and not pop bands with the punk look. Nowdays its a little differant ill agree. They have strayed far from their roots, to each their own as far as that goes. Pop-punk is called that for a reason. They are pop bands with punk influences, i dont think there is really an argument there. Are they punk? no. Pop? no. A little influenced by both, yes. Reminds me of the argument where some kid was saying Beastie Boys were not ever punk, or that Metallica was not ever metal based on the style they play now.
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