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Originally Posted by Paloma
Yeah but getting snotty and being rude in an argument doesn't really help your case.
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If you can show me an example where I've been snotty and rude (most likely an example from my very first post which I apologized for) I can show you 10 more examples where I have been perfectly respectful whilst maintaining my opinion against an onslaught of people trying to tell me that my opinion is wrong. I have maintained respect of the opinions of others while many have attacked me simply because my opinion of their beloved gaga is negative. Do not accuse me of rudeness. I have been quite polite.
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Originally Posted by AwwSugar
Somebody made a really good point about Gaga.
That she doesn't need people to like her, she just wants people to talk about her.
Which is what everyone is doing.
What do you guys think about this?
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I'm pretty sure the quote you're talking about was actually about me. She was saying that even if people don't agree with me, at least I'm moving the conversation along...
IF you're quoting the quote I think you're quoting
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Originally Posted by VEGANGELICA
This isn't a comment against you, Consolator; I'm just musing out loud about the topic of Lady Gaga seeming cold to some people:
I wonder if people sometimes expect a female performer to be more vulnerable than a male performer, and hold it against her if she *doesn't* seem vulnerable. I've never heard anyone say of a male performer, "Oh, he doesn't tear up! He must not be in touch with his emotions. He is cold," and disliking him for that.
Yes, I agree with what you say, マイケル : Lady Gaga's ostentatious emphasis on *things* (clothing, etc.) rather than mainly on the music alone may make us face something we don't like about our culture: its shallow consumerism.
That being said, one of my favorite songs and videos was always Madonna's Material Girl, and I didn't mind its shallow consumerism message at all, though I assume the song was meant to be ironic rather than an endorsement of materialism. I wonder to what extent Lady Gaga's outfits and personas are intended in the same way. Or maybe she is just having fun thinking up and appreciating new and odd things!
I agree, AwwSugar: I think she doesn't need people to like her. I don't think she is concerned so much if she appears sexy, for example. I feel a lot of her clothing isn't intended to be sexual so much as provocative and startling. I assume she *does* want people to like her music, though.
And I think of course she wants people to talk about her; this increases interest in her music, her shows.
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This is EXACTLY what I've been talking about. The main revulsion is the revulsion with how materialistic our society is. The reason I say I don't like Gaga is that she has found herself in a position of the utmost power and chooses, instead of challenging materialism, to PERPETUATE it to the utmost degree. So yes, my initial complaint is with the society itself. But if you have millions of screaming, insecure teenagers ready to wear a lady gaga mask every day for the rest of their lives (or at least until something "cooler" comes along) you should (if you want to be in my good book, which you don't have to be, lady gaga) take responsibility and send the right message to these people that clothes have nothing to do with who you are. You should make good music and inspire others to express themselves through music (or other art forms) instead of using catchy music as a catalyst to promote your image.
And I agree with many points of that article you posted Goblintears... except i don't know why he/she feels the need to attack the way Gaga looks, or her body. That's unnecessary.