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Originally Posted by Zaqarbal
No, but I don't expect to see a Muslim wearing a bikini. That's not common at all, except in Turkey, Syria, Lebanon and maybe in a few countries more (that is, exceptions to the rule). But maybe you see a lot of Muslim girls with bikini every day and that's why you're so surprised for what I wrote.
Yes, and you forgot the Reverse Burka, which is very popular too. OK, so you just put some exceptions and the problem is solved, isn't it? Good.
No, what I meant is that being Muslim and posing with bikini is highly improbable in Egypt. Keywords: IMPROBABLE and EGYPT. But maybe I'm wrong and Donia Hamed is a very good Muslim. And maybe she drinks wine and eats ham too, because she "interprets" Koran in a modern liberal way... Or maybe she makes "liberal interpretations" selectively, like alcohol and ham no, nudity yes. After all, the opposite thing exists already: 
Honestly, I will never understand that politically correct naivety some trendy lefties have when it comes to Islam. 
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No, I definitely don't think the exceptions negate the demeaning and violent treatment of women by regimes and groups whose method of practicing the Muslim religion involves forcing women to cover their bodies (and sometimes not allowing them to inherit, work, drive, say no to sex with a husband, or go out in public without a male relative, etc.).
I was simply pointing out that the definition of what is a "good" Muslim varies from individual to individual according to her or his beliefs, so presumably the Muslim Miss Universe contestants feel they are doing what their conscience feels is good. Like you say, people can have a variety of interpretations of religious rules or be selective in which they follow or believe to be valid.
Especially since there is so much discomfort and hatred right now in the U.S. toward the Muslim religion as a whole (for example, over a proposed Islamic center near the former World Trade Center buildings), I feel it is important to acknowledge that the Muslim religion includes more than extreme sexist and violent viewpoints in which those in power enforce subservience, especially of women.
You mentioned Turkey, for example, from which most of my liberal Muslim women and men friends came. I agree with you that a contestant who is Muslim from Egypt would be less likely to wear a bikini than a Muslim contestant from the more liberal Turkey.
The "Revurka" is thought-provoking, Zaqarbal.
Heh heh...are you calling just
me a "trendy lefty" with "politically correct naivety," or also Urban Hatemonger? Because probably he'd call me a naive, politically correct, trendy lefty...and so I would be amused to see him thrown into the trendy lefty barrel along with me!