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Originally Posted by cardboard adolescent
that doesn't make sense. if there is a first cause nothing caused it, that's what makes it the first. and if there is a first cause then there must be something special about it since it isn't subject to causality (again, this seems to imply an absurdity: conclusion one).
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You are trying to explain causality outside of the realm where causality exists. No causes can exist before the first cause, so the first cause must be an uncaused cause by virtue of what it is. No causal law existed before it. You call it a miracle, but that is what it has to be. It isn't special in that it is outside the realm of causal law. It seems like it makes no sense, but it makes a lot of sense that the first cause would seem to make no sense since it was the first cause. You call it absurd and throw it away. I accept the fact that it makes no sense since it should not make sense being what it is.
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you seem to be saying: causality is caused but since this is impossible we don't know what caused it.
i would say: existence is impossible, existence exists, therefore, god
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I am saying that causality exists and moving from there, not trying to explain it. When we try to explain it, then it seems impossible until we realize that the question we are asking is "Why why?" We can't give a why, since this would produce a circular argument.