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Originally Posted by Neapolitan
What I mean in essence is that they are acting like they have forgotten there was an abortion that took place. Maybe if they remember that they are dealing with a human fetus, they would speak up against it.
You insist have not yet provided one single argument as to why stemcell research is wrong. I don't know what you are looking for, I'm not going to say in general all stem cell research is wrong. I've from my first post have made a distinction between adult and embryonic stem cell research. I'm not going to make a general statement about ethics of stem research, when stem research encompasses both ethical and unethical means of studying stems cells. You should remember that I've mention adult stem cell research and said that they have positive results. A good example is bone marrow transplant that uses adult stem cells. The ethical issue is where the stem cells originally come from. There is a distinction to which one is unethical and which one isn't. Embryonic and aborted fetuses stem cell research is unethical. The research they are doing starts with and comes from the fact that a (man-made) abortion of a human fetus took place and they are using a human fetus that was aborted that should not have been aborted. They are experimenting on a deceased body that should not have died that way. The purpose of a human emrbyo/fetus is to develope into an human being. There is no complicated or sophisticated arguement to offer why a preborn human being has a right to life. Just like you said a journey starts with a first step, the embryo/fetus is the first steps of life for human beings. What kind of arguement are you looking for to prove a preborn human being has the right to life?
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You still don't get it
I'm aware that there's stem cell research you don't find so morally wrong, adult stem cell research. However, that's not interesting to me. What's interesting to me is trying to figure out what it is that makes the use of embryonic stem cells morally wrong because this is something you seem to think.
You write for example that they are experimenting on a deceased body which should not have died that way. Why is it wrong to experiment on bodies which "should not" have died that way? How should it have died? Is it always unethical to research dead bodies?
I know now why I'm not getting any good answers. Not to be nasty, but after all this back and forth, it is clear you don't know much ethics. You probably haven't taken a course in philosophy which covers the different morale theories or studied this in your own time. It's also clear that either you haven't found answers for such questions yourself - or - if you have, you are keeping it a secret. I know you are a christian and different branches of christianity promote different kinds of dos and donts such as the ten commandments. Perhaps this is the basis for your argument, but you're not telling because you don't think a view on morale based in religion will get any recognition? Or you don't want to see discussion used against it?
Basically, I'm trying to figure out if there's any depth to your arguments which can be discussed on a philosophical level. If there's not, then there's not much weight in your arguments. You say something is unethical without explaining
why. Saying it is because the fetuses shouldn't have died that way is not an explanation .. it only begs for a new question; why does
that make it unethical?
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Originally Posted by Neapolitan
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Interesting interview! I'd like to point out that it is essentially one scientist who's never worked on embryonic stem cells bashing other scientists who do. His claim is that it's unnecessary, but I'm sure you could ask a different scientist and get a completely different answer, so don't swallow this whole
There are some interesting points there, though.
I do agree that it would be better if stem cells for treatment came from somewhere else than embryos. I am not personally bothered that the stem cells with the most potential currently come from fetuses, but it would be more practical if they came from somewhere else, f.ex if we could grow them or if we could reverse the differentiation process and turn advanced cells back into stem cells. It would also be practical if it had more support from the general public, although that bit seems to have improved quite a bit over the years.