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P A N · 02-15-2010, 04:27 PM

to cadrian:

i went to that site you posted. i have a feeling you didn't read it. the first page is pretty much dedicated to essentially disregarding the zeitgeist movie (which is the first one) because of its conspiratorial nature. this is not an invalid standpoint to take based on that first film. if you go to the section entitled 'addendum,' you'll notice a change in spirit from the author of the page. in addendum, which is the second zeitgeist movie, the primary focus is on the modern-day mechanics of money.

the zeitgeist movement, AS a movement, i do have to admit, made a huge mistake with their first film, again, because of its conspiratorial nature. but this page you linked says in the addendum section:

"Whether you choose to support the Venus Project or Technocracy Inc. doesn't matter, so long as you keep the conspiracy bull**** out of the current technocratic (or "resource based economy") movement. It is hard enough to discuss technocracy and The Venus Project with people, we do not need to also talk about conspiracies. Whether you like it or not, conspiracy theories scare people away, period, and they won't listen to anything you have to say.

"If you are a member of the Zeitgeist Movement and want to spread the ideas of The Venus Project, please keep the conspiracy jargon to the minimum - in fact I've seen that Peter Joseph has already moved away from that, but many fans of the films are still obsessed with conspiracies."

what you might not know about the zeitgeist movement, is that it is sort of the figurehead or hub for the information gathered to help the efforts of the venus project. they're trying to create a resource-based economy rather than a monetary system to the effect that the whole world gets to eat.

does that sound like a conspiracy theory?

i don't think so.

i hope this proves a little less worthless to you, Cadrian.

to duga:

we can't be hunter/gatherers because there are too many of us. but we still have to adapt, right?

i don't think any of this is going to be perfect. i didn't even allude to the idea. i said basically that we can achieve abundance for all people if we work hard.

you're mistaking this idea for something utopian. it's not. albeit something that would just plain FEEL better to contribute to than this bloody rat-race.

the idea is to tackle problems, not destroy the possibility of their happening. anybody that thinks a problem-free world is possible is in serious need of reeducation.

02-15-2010, 04:27 PM	#14 (permalink)
P A N DO LIKE YOU. Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 629	to cadrian: i went to that site you posted. i have a feeling you didn't read it. the first page is pretty much dedicated to essentially disregarding the zeitgeist movie (which is the first one) because of its conspiratorial nature. this is not an invalid standpoint to take based on that first film. if you go to the section entitled 'addendum,' you'll notice a change in spirit from the author of the page. in addendum, which is the second zeitgeist movie, the primary focus is on the modern-day mechanics of money. the zeitgeist movement, AS a movement, i do have to admit, made a huge mistake with their first film, again, because of its conspiratorial nature. but this page you linked says in the addendum section: "Whether you choose to support the Venus Project or Technocracy Inc. doesn't matter, so long as you keep the conspiracy bull**** out of the current technocratic (or "resource based economy") movement. It is hard enough to discuss technocracy and The Venus Project with people, we do not need to also talk about conspiracies. Whether you like it or not, conspiracy theories scare people away, period, and they won't listen to anything you have to say. "If you are a member of the Zeitgeist Movement and want to spread the ideas of The Venus Project, please keep the conspiracy jargon to the minimum - in fact I've seen that Peter Joseph has already moved away from that, but many fans of the films are still obsessed with conspiracies." what you might not know about the zeitgeist movement, is that it is sort of the figurehead or hub for the information gathered to help the efforts of the venus project. they're trying to create a resource-based economy rather than a monetary system to the effect that the whole world gets to eat. does that sound like a conspiracy theory? i don't think so. i hope this proves a little less worthless to you, Cadrian. to duga: we can't be hunter/gatherers because there are too many of us. but we still have to adapt, right? i don't think any of this is going to be perfect. i didn't even allude to the idea. i said basically that we can achieve abundance for all people if we work hard. you're mistaking this idea for something utopian. it's not. albeit something that would just plain FEEL better to contribute to than this bloody rat-race. the idea is to tackle problems, not destroy the possibility of their happening. anybody that thinks a problem-free world is possible is in serious need of reeducation.