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Originally Posted by Fruitonica
But you yourself said it's intangible, and really - inseparable from your own psyche. Calling it a higher power is a convoluted method of dis-empowering yourself and not really accepting personal responsibility.
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I like your point of it being inseparable from my own psyche. Something people in A.A say is that my higher power will get you drunk, which I think is implying two things; 1) Your point, that a person of my spiritual belief's higher power is their own and will only work for them. 2) That it can't really be any other way.
I think it's better this way, less riff raff. Honestly if I had to share my belief with two other people we would be constantly fighter over the details of what exactly this thing looks like and does, in which scenario I think the entire effect would be not only muted but would be converted into something that would in fact be harmful. Look at all the trouble religion has caused.
As far as it's existence being nullified by the fact that it only has any effect or meaning to me individually is up for debate. Does an idea need to have a desired effect in more then it's creator to exist? What about any effect? Where do we draw the line?
I'd say it is a reasonable argument that my
belief in a higher power is an object in and of itself, this I justify by saying it is tangible to the mind and therefor existent. Furthermore, it has respectively aided in triggering signals in my brain (an effect of it's existence, one could even say this is the
action of my
belief in a higher power) to cause me to be motivated to write this very paragraph. So it is reasonable then to assume my
belief in a higher power is not only existent but also indirectly part of creating this completely tangible paragraph. If the above is true then my
belief in a higher power has now indirectly effected you, my reader. Clearly it is my opinion that ideas are nouns and are capable to some degree of committing effect much in the same way bacteria do; mindlessly.
If I chose to utilize this effect like one would use bacteria to make a vaccine, then I say that I am in my action philosophically reasonable, scientifically careful, and at the same time
spiritually sound. Who knows why people believe what they do, I have a wondering theory that many Christians are acting in opposition to fear and that many atheist are doing the same.
Hilariously I've talked over my belief with many of both parties, and to my guesses they have about the same strong, emotionally based reactions. My humble opinion is against the implication of the above statement, though, in that I believe nobody is truly part of a group of thinking. If they were, then they would agree with each other down to the finest degree possible! I think that is hardly the case.
This brings me to my concluding point on your statement, can any idea tangible to the human mind be truly and fully separable to the mind that spawned it? To me, that question just begs of accepting that my way of thinking cannot be any different then anyone's, even atheist, in validity- however, as I mentioned before, it does have quite a positive effect on my life. =)