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Originally Posted by mr dave
1 - that's cool and all but not well presented through the topic title. are you looking to define it in modern terms? or define it based on the originators? from the style perspective (sabbath) or from the use of the term (hendrix / steppenwolf)? there's really no ground to stand on to dispute your first post in this thread in regards to 'Ace of Spades', it's a great song and is totally effective at defining metal.
2 - too bad Fear Factory turned into a parody of itself after Demanufacture.
3 - if you could encapsulate metallica during its first decade i'd give the 3rd point but it's not really fair to them or their contemporaries.
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I wasn't really making points, just suggestions.
Everyone has their own opinion on what defines metal - and it's not just one song or band that does that.
The main aim from my point of view (apart from just blatting about great metal music and raving about favourite songs/bands/albums) is to fuel my History of Heavy Metal thread;
It's difficult to write about the history of something that is forever evolving and means different things to different people without some kind of benchmark, which is why I've deliberately tried to steer clear of opinions in that thread (on the whole), and merely trace links back and let the music provide its own evidence.
It's also cool the way you broke it down into style, etc - although the first use of the term was not Steppenwolf, but Spooky Tooth/Art a year earlier
That's the kind of thing - I'm going to look at more bands/songs/albums the way I did with Motorhead/Lemmy and make the case for them being the ultimate definition, and break it down into more granularity - and it'd be cool to see other cases being made the same way.
Look at it as a kind of game, if you like, of who can provide the most convincing case.
I'm also looking for people to take things really seriously and say stuff like "u r all losers, dont u know that Slipknot rulez????" or some trollish stuff like that so I can have a good laugh.