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Originally Posted by Megadead2
Oh man I despise shred solos and cheesy displays of emotion. That's not what I mean. I mean that they have been surpassed, that if you are looking to them for emotion and energy and intensity then there are plenty of more moderns that are exponentially greater. Listen to "God Save the Queen" then listen to "New Noise" by Refused and tell me that the latter doesn't put the former to shame in those respects.
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This is when you gotta take historical context into account, there wouldn't be a Refused without a Sex Pistols.
And while they may not seem like much now, in 1977 it was a different story, this was a time when the radio was more full of stuff like Foreigner and Boston than it was with progressive rock, so to say Sex Pistols made rock "safe" is foolish.
Punk paved the way for a lot of experimental and ambitious bands.
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I'm trying to bring the discussion away from punk and back towards the Sex Pistols here...there have been many women involved in punk, especially in the 1990s but perhaps in the '70s as well, but I find the persona that Johnny Rotten specifically projected as being very machoistic.
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You do realise that songs like "No Feelings" are supposed to be ironic right?
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Incidentally, I'm actually not a Rush fan. I think that hard rock in general--which includes Rush and also Styx, Triumph, Warrant, Twisted Sister, etc.--tends towards misogyny, but I'm not sure Sex Pistols aren't part of that same continuum.
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Well that's just one band, maybe they were sexist people but that didn't really come through their music I think, despite their name, The Sex Pistols didn't really write songs about sexual matters.
You gotta remember that the punk scene saw a greater movement of female musicians than anything that came before it. Patti Smith, The Runaways, Joan Jett, Siouxie & The Banshees, Wendy O, The Slits, The Raincoats, Blondie, The B-52s, Tina Weymouth, Eve Libertine, Poison Ivy (The Cramps), etc.
You never saw a lot of women in 70s prog, aside from Kate Bush and that chick from Renaissance.
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You're probably right, the prog vs. punk dichotomy is in many ways a relic of '70s class warfare that should be forgotten. I still don't really enjoy traditional-style punk though. Like I said before, I enjoy the more emotional, more artistic, and even the more poppy (there's some worthwhile pop punk out there) side of the genre, but the original bands don't excite me.
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I'm more into the early hardcore and post punk stuff but early punk had some great stuff too. I love The Buzzco
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