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Originally Posted by lieasleep
...so basically you are hating them because they are an old school punk rock band.
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Yep. I am not a punk fan, I can appreciate the more artistic bands like Talking Heads, and the more emotional bands like Rites of Spring, but old-school punk does absolutely nothing for me. It's adolescent in ways I don't tolerate and, despite its rhetoric, artistically regressive. I dislike the Ramones too, but not quite as much.
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i mean they are no stooges or MC5 but they really defined the genre.
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Again this is exactly why I dislike them. I dislike the genre and they are one of its supreme symbols. I do think that
Never Mind the Bollocks actually may well be below par for the genre though because, like I said, it is actually overproduced (too organized, too polished, robbing it of the chaos and energy that a band like MC5 thrived on)--but I won't press the point of it being below par because I have not heard many full-length LPs in the style.
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a please elaborate on this negative effect because you can't just say that without giving any evidence.
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Progressive rock was a genre of rock music in the '70s that was based on unusual structures, arrangements, harmonies, instrumentation etc. and was influenced by classical and jazz. It was very popular in the early-to-mid '70s, but when punk arrived in '76/'77 favoring a stripped-down sound, it fell spectacularly out of commercial and critical favor, such that most of its leading bands either had to break up (ELP) or go pop (Yes, Genesis, Rush) by the early '80s.
Today, prog rock is still widely derided by critics as pretentious, excessive, etc., while punk rock is held up as the movement that saved rock'n'roll. This is unfortunate because while some prog bands like ELP and Rush were indeed self-indulgent, commercial, and ridiculous, others like Henry Cow, the Soft Machine, and Magma were actually way more forward-thinking than the Ramones or Sex Pistols.