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Originally Posted by sleepy jack
I don't "keep referring to Pitchfork" I've mentioned them twice now. Once was pointing out that Bon Iver was hyped an incredible amount by Pitchfork (who wield a good deal of influence, particularly in the indie scene) and the other was to point out he isn't unanimously loved by critics. Neither situation was me treating it like they were the "end all be all" I was just using them as an example because of the amount of influence they have in the indie scene. You're overstating the importance I place in them.
That being said I stated Elliott Smith was popular in the indie scene - which Pitchfork is apart of so pointing out that Pitchfork loves most of his albums (something I never denied) doesn't really prove anything and before you say then it's hypocritical to use them as an example of Smith getting trashed that was to prove the point that he isn't even unanimously loved in the indie scene (Figure 8 was a commercial bomb everywhere else and it led DreamWorks to drop him.)
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Who the hell ever said all his stuff was unanimously loved by critics? No matter how much praise they get, nobody is unanimously loved like that. All I'm saying is that generally speaking his music is very well regarded and has been for quite some time. In my personal opinion he is more well regarded than his music warrants which makes him overrated.
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Originally Posted by sleepy jack
Yeah and Elliott Smith didn't receive a Lifetime Achievement Award like John Martyn did. I don't really know what you're trying to prove with the Oscar point - the song itself wouldn't have been nominated if Good Will Hunting hadn't been such a popular film with big name actors.
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I'm trying to prove the man got recognition for his music. The Oscar nomination is one example. The fact that he makes a lot of "best of the 90s" lists is another.
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I never insulted jackhammer. I said his opinion was ignorant and stupid - probably a bit harsh but I feel it was and I think the fact he won't defend it himself says enough in itself.
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Looks like this has already been addressed since you made this post but suffice it to say your comments did come off as harsh, too harsh for a subjective conversation about music IMO.