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Originally Posted by Yukon Cornelius
Here is my Thesis for you sleepy...
The first and most obvious point...
Obama is the Change that Americans needed. With promises of hope, jobs, troops coming home, not to mention keeping lobbyist and donors out of his administration etc... That's great but if you look at the things he has done thus far its completely opposite.
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Every politician pushes their rhetoric to impossible highs and unrealistic standards. It's how you get elected. People love Obama because he presents this image of a blank slate Democrat who is the anti-Bush and Bush was a symbol of negativity. Politics isn't nearly as complex as people seem to think.
Also he has inspired many Americans and made them hope, so he did come true on that promise (which is a difficult one to make because you can't force it.) His economic action has ultimately been the stimulus package, you can't judge whether or not he's created jobs yet. Silly criticism.
And now we get to a central theme through this argument sources sources sources! What lobbyists and donors has he appointed?
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Basically he was the perfect fit in a time of need, I agreed originally, but now see that I just like most of America was duped by false promises. If you didnt like bush your going to Hate Obama.. Ill tell you what if you kick me out over this thread and you start realizing that you cant wait for someone else in the white house in about 3 years then I feel that should be my ticket back not that it means that much to me I think it would just be nice to say I told you so.
The other side to the coin is that everything is getting better...
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Yeah but you also think the world is going to end in 2012 so why does it matter?
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As we bail all these companies out that are falling down Americas debt gets larger, and the banking elite get richer.
The other point was that the economic recession is obviously done intentionally, this obviously not the first. You see with the economy at its peak everyone has everything they could possibly want, when things change such as fuel prices, which had no reason to go up it makes everything more expensive. Food, gas, natural gas, plastics, automobiles... Then what happens??Standards change ppl cant afford what they have anymore and then Kaboom .. Now you have people taking out loans even though they cant afford to pay them back, gas prices are worth more that a gallon of milk so people cant afford to drive there vehicles anymore, now they cant purchase vehicles either car companies going down... These loans most took out were to avoid bankruptcy, they got loans while there credit score sub par, and some even good and it only jammed them farther into debt and if the people cant afford to pay the bank back the bank goes down... then you have to line the pockets of the banking elite so they can buy up more banks so on and so forth.
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Of course this was intentional; but it has more to do with deregulation, bad policies and bad planning than some plan conducted by a banking elite in hopes they'd get government bail outs someday to cover their asses for all the money they originally had but lost (which makes perfect sense doesn't it? Who doesn't love a roundabout method of getting wealth!) And now I'm going to repeat my shout of sources sources sources! Because if you're going to lie blame on some hidden elite group you should first prove their existence outside this "documentary" and then explain how they managed to pull all this off and more importantly why they pulled it off.
Also since you're making a claim that goes directly against he known history of the economic crisis you might want to disprove what has been reported for the last ten years in regards to the economy. I suggest you go back and look at some Depression-era legislation and if it's still enact today, then examine what all Clinton/Greenspan did and then Bush and also look at each of the banks and how they've failed and see if they really did all those stupid things like give out bad loans or it's just a big bad lie constructed by Obama.
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Not to mention the cost of war, but he we were promised the troops would come home, I guess that means send 30000 more over there and double our presence, to only further line the pockets of the greedy.
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Iraq is about imperialism. It's that simple; no secret banker is making money off it. This war, which has been ridiculously expensive, has helped bring us into the economic crisis were in. It's been losing money since day one. In fact it's silly you even knowledge an economic crisis exists and then turn around state that there's actually been big profit in Iraq. The only argument there has to do with oil - which is an entirely different subject unrelated to Obama (who can't be blamed for the situation were in.)
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Right now if you read the current events, you will notice that gitmo is going to be shut down that was a promise as it was not civil. However it gets worse, now you just have different locations were these ppl will be tortured and that's all good with you know who. It was quoted that is was essential to have such facilities.
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It isn't okay with you know who. Obama's specifically banned waterboarding, the preferred method of torture by the Bush administration. He also stated the United States doesn't torture. By closing Guantanamo Bay he's allowing the justice system to handle them - something Bush wouldn't do. Bush had them in legal limbo where we could ultimately do whatever we want with them and ignore any international agreement and the Geneva conventions all we want.
Obama isn't shipping them off to different camps (sources and locations.) That wouldn't work now anyway seeing as groups like the Red Cross and various humanitarian groups are now far too tangled into the treatment of the prisoners to allow that sort of thing.
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Point 4..
The need for a civilian army.. Whats wrong with the national reserve and the Coast Guard?? Im in one of them wont tell you which that's besides the point, and thanks for my paycheck sucker. Either way the need for a civilian army?? The points are valid, as you and I both know and can both agree that we will never really know the bigger picture until it smacks us in the face. Think about this, around the US right now they are strengthening prisons and fema is building camps all over the country?? I want to know why? And how come we need 20000 or so army men patroling the us?? Because ppl need protection? Nah we all have guns.. But not for long well nothing worth shooting at anyone... Its obvious, because once people start to see the belly of the beast its going to be anarchy in the us... Worst than watts around this mother Fugger... How about you? what will you do? Hell I might be having to push you along if you get out of hand who knows DOD dir 1404.10 that would be obamas personal million strong army notice the directive states that they would stay away from the office work and be a soldier, that would be all his, and if you look at it they are there to flock the anarchists who will protest the hell out of this once the see it, you should be able to choose unless you are in a draft which we are not, but i guess its cool to enslave ourselfs ... You by the way have yet to state where you are from... So pardon me if you are form somewhere other than the US.
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Obama isn't building a civilian army. That quote was taken so horribly out of context I'm amazed anyone has taken this "documentary" seriously. He was talking about expanding groups like the Peace Corps; it was a call for an era of voluntarism and community service. It was no gestapo. Here is the full context of the quote so everyone can this lie in all its glory.
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Originally Posted by Barack Obama
As president I will expand AmeriCorps to 250,000 slots [from 75,000] and make that increased service a vehicle to meet national goals, like providing health care and education, saving our planet and restoring our standing in the world, so that citizens see their effort connected to a common purpose.
People of all ages, stations and skills will be asked to serve. Because when it comes to the challenges we face, the American people are not the problem – they are the answer. So we are going to send more college graduates to teach and mentor our young people. We'll call on Americans to join an energy corps, to conduct renewable energy and environmental clean-up projects in their neighborhoods all across the country.
We will enlist our veterans to find jobs and support for other vets, and to be there for our military families. And we're going to grow our Foreign Service, open consulates that have been shuttered and double the size of the Peace Corps by 2011 to renew our diplomacy. We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we've set.
We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded. We need to use technology to connect people to service. We'll expand USA Freedom Corps to create online networks where American can browse opportunities to volunteer. You'll be able to search by category, time commitment and skill sets. You'll be able to rate service opportunities, build service networks, and create your own service pages to track your hours and activities.
This will empower more Americans to craft their own service agenda and make their own change from the bottom up.
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As far as the FEMA detainment camps go...I don't know where this hoax came from. I know it's loosely rooted in something Ashcroft either did or tried to do but it isn't something that has anything to do with Obama (and I don't believe it had anything to do with FEMA either.) Again, source something factual and legitimate on this issue because there's nothing but sketchy conspiracy theorists backing that up.