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Guybrush · 02-12-2009, 03:26 AM

I don't believe it will be nullified. Nullification is dramatic and hardly ever happens, it's more often modified. For example, the age of our planet can be modified if research reveals it should be a little bit older than what we thought. That's no hard mental adjustment. As for nullification, while I don't believe any of my core beliefs will be nullified, I accept that they can be and I hope I would welcome it, but again - nullification is only part of my belief when you're at the very fringes of the things I believe in where belief turns more into speculation. Physics for example, is lacking some crucial theory at the moment.

And yes, the scientific method is flawed. Let's say there are people who can heal others by laying hands, but they're only an average of 10% better at it than people who don't have this gift. Science would have a hard time figuring that out because the trend is so slight. However, it could get there eventually, maybe not by testing healers but perhaps by discovering new capabilities of the human body or mind. As you say, there are many ways to peel an onion.

Science not dealing with subjective experiences like love is not something I agree with (of course, biology deals with it). Maybe your knowledge of how science has approached those kinds of experiences is limited. However, I can accept that science as a whole may seem as a kind of cold, emotionless thinking machine to people outside it. That is, of course, because science has it's own ethics that want to exclude human weaknesses from corrupting it. You don't want a new medicine on the market based on fabricated test-results because professor Hamill was feeling impatient.

You're writing about different spheres of reality. Of course science deals mostly with finding the truth that is true for everyone. Other spheres of reality should be things that are true for you and perhaps you only. Take for example communication on different levels, like the feeling of connection or understanding you can feel with an artist when you look at his or her painting (you use art and poetry as examples). Although very few scientists are religious (at least here), I'm sure many appreciate art for the same reasons you do. You don't have to shut out everything else just because you're a scientist.

As a digression, some think that science can be something to fall back on for atheists or if you lose your faith. That's part true, but just like people are not born knowing who Jesus is, people are not born knowing science either. You need to study it. Before, people didn't have the choice to learn science .. there was religion or nothing.

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Guybrush Juicious Maximus III Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Scabb Island Posts: 6,525	I don't believe it will be nullified. Nullification is dramatic and hardly ever happens, it's more often modified. For example, the age of our planet can be modified if research reveals it should be a little bit older than what we thought. That's no hard mental adjustment. As for nullification, while I don't believe any of my core beliefs will be nullified, I accept that they can be and I hope I would welcome it, but again - nullification is only part of my belief when you're at the very fringes of the things I believe in where belief turns more into speculation. Physics for example, is lacking some crucial theory at the moment. And yes, the scientific method is flawed. Let's say there are people who can heal others by laying hands, but they're only an average of 10% better at it than people who don't have this gift. Science would have a hard time figuring that out because the trend is so slight. However, it could get there eventually, maybe not by testing healers but perhaps by discovering new capabilities of the human body or mind. As you say, there are many ways to peel an onion. Science not dealing with subjective experiences like love is not something I agree with (of course, biology deals with it). Maybe your knowledge of how science has approached those kinds of experiences is limited. However, I can accept that science as a whole may seem as a kind of cold, emotionless thinking machine to people outside it. That is, of course, because science has it's own ethics that want to exclude human weaknesses from corrupting it. You don't want a new medicine on the market based on fabricated test-results because professor Hamill was feeling impatient. You're writing about different spheres of reality. Of course science deals mostly with finding the truth that is true for everyone. Other spheres of reality should be things that are true for you and perhaps you only. Take for example communication on different levels, like the feeling of connection or understanding you can feel with an artist when you look at his or her painting (you use art and poetry as examples). Although very few scientists are religious (at least here), I'm sure many appreciate art for the same reasons you do. You don't have to shut out everything else just because you're a scientist. As a digression, some think that science can be something to fall back on for atheists or if you lose your faith. That's part true, but just like people are not born knowing who Jesus is, people are not born knowing science either. You need to study it. Before, people didn't have the choice to learn science .. there was religion or nothing. __________________ Something Completely Different Last edited by Guybrush; 02-12-2009 at 03:32 AM.