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Originally Posted by shiseido_red
All moral claims only work from a certain perspective. This is why debates like this could go on forever, and why you should never take Philosophy classes at university.
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That's my whole point: without a grounding principle like God all morality dissolves into relativism. That's why we need religion, and that's also why once we move past religion the question of murder becomes a serious problem.
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Originally Posted by JayJamJah
I feel like we're going in circles
The basis of my claim: "People understand their own mortality and based on that understanding most (the vast vast majority) of sound mind are able to come to the reasonable conclusion that taking the life of another being with this same understanding is wrong"
Do you disagree with any of that?
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Yes. I don't think most people understand their own morality, and that our conclusion that murder is wrong is based mostly on our situation, and that those in different situations will probably not reach the same conclusion.
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Originally Posted by sleepy jack
Suicide bombers are usually Muslim extremists though and they blow themselves up and the other people because they think they're going to heaven. So religion is to blame for that idea even though I guess you could place some blame on their society in the sense their leaders are using it to achieve their own political needs but their argument for why its right is based on the Qur'an.
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Well, that's the Americanized perspective of the situation. Others would argue that this so-called religious extremism is a logical reaction to American secularization, in which values, as I have been arguing, tend to break down.