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Originally Posted by jibber
No, NOT EVERYONE believed that iraq had WMD's at the time. A huge number of people in the US did not think so, and so did a MASSIVE number of people in canada and other nations.
yes, as i stated earlier, NOW iraq is a hotbed for al-queda operations, after sadam was ousted. they were not, and had not been present before the war.
yes, i do want to say the war was mismanaged. I do want to say that it was a short sighted, and VERY misguided approach to the war on terror. I am making a case against the war based on my personal morals and beliefs.
I do not, however, see this issue as black and white as you do. I do not think that bombing the **** out of a country because of a minority of fanatical people. I do not see that war is the answer in fighting terrorism or anti-wester sentiment in the middle east. Any intelligent person can see that war will never be the answer to this. There has been years of oppression and poverty imposed by puppet governments of the west, and this anti-western sentiment has been so indoctrinated that unless we actually go to the route of the cause, it will never be solved.
People there hate us because they are desperately poor, have no access to education, and have been brainwashed to think that the western infidels are the cause of all their problems. They have seen their governments extort them and drain all resources away to benefit only the rich minority, and they have been told it is the US's fault. BOMBING them isnt going to help increase their regard for the US.
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I don't want to argue semantics or talking points. But no nation had intelligence to the contrary of American intelligence. I don't care what Sean Penn or Guy Le**** from Ottawa think and more then they care what I think.
I do want to discuss ideas and phiolosophy and you have some of both I disagree with. You are exactly right in isolating the cause of the anti-Western sentiment. However I do think overthrowing a brutal tyrant like Saddam and staying to help rebuild the nation is a good way to build pro-western sentiment. Have you seen the videos of people embracing and welcoming US soldiers? Have you talked to a soldier who was there?
The greatest plight to middle eastern culture is not modern western culture but religion. There has been turmoil, decent, hostility's and and out and out lack of humanity in that region of the world forever, literally always as long as we have records. And all of their wars are based on a extreme religious fundamentals and God\Allah serving as motivation often times for both sides.
Also image and bigger picture aside the greater concern in the right now has to be the fact that Islamo-Facists want to kill us and that they only respond to violence. They are bullies if you tell them not to do something they do it. If you ask them nice not to do something they agree and then do it anyway. If you barter they take your chips and never hold up their own end. You have to kill them, because if you don't they will kill you. I really believe it's that simple, that black and white. Most things are given enough thought, it always starts with motivation, that'll help you paint the rest of the picture.
And we don't bomb innocent people, at least not intentionally.