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Originally Posted by Skinny.
I've been thinking it over and listening to some interpretations of the bible (watch the first third of Zeitgeist) and I'm certain christianity is bollocks. Jesus was pretty much proved not to exist (see obove), heaven is a fairy tale explanation for what's going on in death, created in old times to stop people from fearing death and the mith has somehow survived into modern times where you think people would be smart enough to have worked out you don't sit on a cloud forever after your body shuts down. The mith of hell was created by people in power a long time ago to keep the masses in order and again, somehow the mith has survived into modern times where you think people would have realised that if there was a god the way the church and the bible describes it, he wouldn't put you in a place like that for any reason. There is no devil, because if god was powerful enough to kick him out of heaven, god would be powerful enough to stop the devil from persuading us to do evil. All bollocks.
Also, if this life was to test our spirits, why wouldn't god tell us so himself. They say it is to test our faith, but we need to develop faith to have it tested and people in robes retelling old propaganda and explanations for things we can now explain our selves with the various forms of science we have that have logical explanations for diseases and numerous things the bible tries to exlplain just isn't enough to develop lifelong faith. It just isn't going to cut it.
I stated earlier in the thread that having religion is good becuase it teaches morals ect., but maybe it's doing more harm than good. With such a large percentage of people shutting out the logic and believing in tall tales that have no meaning in reality, how much can humanity accomplish? As we (the human race) advance more people are turning thier back on religion and they are realising what a pile of crap it all is. Wich leads to this point, if we advance and simultaniously begin to shut out religion, it could work both ways, meaning, if we all stop listening to this **** we would advance quicker and have a better chance at answering questions like "why are we here?" or "what happens after death?" rather than accept what is clearly a load of bollocks if you look hard enough, as the answers to the important questions, wich could be answered.
I'm not sure what happens after death (probably nothing) but if we just accept what the bible tells us happens (with no proof) then we will abolish any hope of finding out what happens at death, before the time comes, so if you believe what the bible says, you're in for some disapointment, or if, like me, you've decided not to take what certain people say as fact with no proof, then you'll just have to wait and see unless we all wake up.
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You are sort of there...
Sort of
If we were to assume God exists;
* A benevolent all-knowing God only has one option in any situation which is the option that causes most good. Therefore an all knowing God has no free will.
* Since God is omnipotent, he knows even before something happens what he will do in that situation. He is unable to then change what he will do, like the above point this proves he has no free will. A being who has no free will cannot make morally correct decisions. God has no morals.
* If God was all good he would have created a Universe that would also be full of good.
* Since God is omnipotent, even before creating Satan as an angel he would have realised that he was going to turn bad. God therefore intentionally created a being full of evil.
* Babies who die go to heaven, therefore there is no essential point of life, or no essential reason that we have to go through suffering.
The Bible & Christianity in general
* Christianity grew out of a mixture of Mithraism, Judaism and Roman sun God worship.
- *"During the 1st century BC, a cult of Mithra, made much progress in Rome, after enduring persecution, when some Emperors adopted the religion... Mithra became very popular among the Roman legionaries and later even among the Emperors. The worship of Mithra was first recognized by Emperor Aurelian and he instituted the cult of "Sol Invictus" or the Invincible Sun. Emperor Diocletian also a worshipper of Mithra, the Sun God, burned much of the Christian scriptures in 307 A.D.
This enabled Emperor Constantine to merge the cult of Mithra with that of Christianity that was developing much. He declared himself a Christian but at the same time maintained his ties to the Mithra cult. He retained the title "Pontifus Maximus" the high priest. On his coins were inscribed: "Sol Invicto comiti" which means, commited to the invincible sun. This new blend of the two faiths, he officially proclaimed as Christianity. Christianity spread all over the Roman empire and Eastern Europe by massive persecution and brought and end to a variety of religions that flourished there. [...]
Until the fourth century, Mithra and Christianity were distinct but after Constantine, the two cults were blended to form the new faith that was to conquer most of the world."
*In the second and third centuries there were Christians who believed in one God. There were also others who believed that there were two. Some said there were a dozen, some thirty........
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God being all powerful;
* If God exists for a logical reason then logic was created before God, is more powerful than God and restricts him.
* If God however is existing for no logical reason, the universe is probably too. Therefore t'would require no creator.
* Why would an all powerful and GOOD being create paradise then give us a set of rules to follow to get into it while giving no actual proof of it existing? Seems like the work of an evil being taking on the form of a good one.
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