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All_Nite_Dinah · 03-15-2005, 03:29 PM

Im going to try to respond to those in order.

First there is nothing wrong with stating your popinion. My main gripe with this thread was that its seems terribly unthought out. Even the topic dosnt make much sense. A fascism is pretty different than human rights violations. Granted they go hand in hand as topics but as phrases there entirley different things. The difference between bitching hear and bringing up a topic or discussion ata town hall or other meeting is that there the opportunity for direct change presents itself.

I dont see how you think that a protest is a silly thing that has never caused any change. Protests have happened for thousands of years and changed soooooo much. If nothing more they diplay that people care about what is going on around them and the quanitites of people in mass united with one voicce is a very intimidating thing for any person to face. Cops will fidget and politicans will hop in there limos. People will hear what is being said. A message is spread. A protest is something that is material and undeniable. If thousands of people come together in unison to express on idea there going to be recognized. I find it funny that anyone could deny the effectivness of protests and strikes. African American civl rights didnt just happen. They were a product of the dissent, outrage, and protests of millions of people. The idea that someone denys the effectivness of protesting is the silly thing to me. The bill of rights wasnt even part of the original constitution but because of protest and outcry from the masses was added. If thats not change Im not sure what is.

Whats wrong with participationg in a campaighn? Do you honestly belive that there arnt people out there who are campaigning for change? Find a party that agrees with your ideas and ask if you can help them, how hard is that? Whats wrong with wearing a button or having a bumper sticker. Handing out flyers or putting up posters and putting out the facts so that maybe you can help someone your ideas are alligned with can be put into some sort of office. Once again I think its outrageous that people simply say that politicans are just corrupt no good and not worrth spending time thinking about. Like it or not these are the peole that are deciding the rest of YOUR life. So you might as well have some say in what goes on. It dosnt mean you have to give up your life for a party or canidate. This past election I simply put a "anything but Bush" sticker on my car and handed out both Green party and democratic pamphlets. Granted Bush still swindled his way into the white hous but fact is I know I changed at least 15 peoples minds on who they were going to vote for and thats better than doing nothing at all.

So thats the difference I make I go out and tell people what there choices are. Im truley offended that you think Im unaware of rape murder and other atrocities occur on a daily basis. Thats the point I've been trying to get across to you to start with. this stuff happens every day so what are YOU going to do about it? I've been wading through this murky topic for around 2 years now paying attention to civil rights abuses wrongful imprisonments, and laws benifiting rapists and murders and I've been contributing with everything I can. The reason my panties are in such a bunch is because you accuse me of being the apathetic one when you stated that you didnt bother participating in any politics because there a waste of time. I guess what it all boils down to is that I think people should start accepting there responsabilities as HUMAN BEINGS to help others make it through this life with as much as they can. Regardless of race, profession, party, or gender. I wish people would start living with humanity in mind.

This spread sparks my interest only because readin peoples responses outrage me. I mean seriously oojay what the hell are you thinking? "just be thankful that we(I) live in the good ol' USA." FOR **** SAKE! Just because you dont hear about it dosnt mean its not happening. That post baiscally pushed me over the edge. Stuff like that pisses me off to no end. Anyway theres like no good threads on this board so I might as well post here.

03-15-2005, 03:29 PM	#597 (permalink)
All_Nite_Dinah Not Impressed Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 741	Im going to try to respond to those in order. First there is nothing wrong with stating your popinion. My main gripe with this thread was that its seems terribly unthought out. Even the topic dosnt make much sense. A fascism is pretty different than human rights violations. Granted they go hand in hand as topics but as phrases there entirley different things. The difference between bitching hear and bringing up a topic or discussion ata town hall or other meeting is that there the opportunity for direct change presents itself. I dont see how you think that a protest is a silly thing that has never caused any change. Protests have happened for thousands of years and changed soooooo much. If nothing more they diplay that people care about what is going on around them and the quanitites of people in mass united with one voicce is a very intimidating thing for any person to face. Cops will fidget and politicans will hop in there limos. People will hear what is being said. A message is spread. A protest is something that is material and undeniable. If thousands of people come together in unison to express on idea there going to be recognized. I find it funny that anyone could deny the effectivness of protests and strikes. African American civl rights didnt just happen. They were a product of the dissent, outrage, and protests of millions of people. The idea that someone denys the effectivness of protesting is the silly thing to me. The bill of rights wasnt even part of the original constitution but because of protest and outcry from the masses was added. If thats not change Im not sure what is. Whats wrong with participationg in a campaighn? Do you honestly belive that there arnt people out there who are campaigning for change? Find a party that agrees with your ideas and ask if you can help them, how hard is that? Whats wrong with wearing a button or having a bumper sticker. Handing out flyers or putting up posters and putting out the facts so that maybe you can help someone your ideas are alligned with can be put into some sort of office. Once again I think its outrageous that people simply say that politicans are just corrupt no good and not worrth spending time thinking about. Like it or not these are the peole that are deciding the rest of YOUR life. So you might as well have some say in what goes on. It dosnt mean you have to give up your life for a party or canidate. This past election I simply put a "anything but Bush" sticker on my car and handed out both Green party and democratic pamphlets. Granted Bush still swindled his way into the white hous but fact is I know I changed at least 15 peoples minds on who they were going to vote for and thats better than doing nothing at all. So thats the difference I make I go out and tell people what there choices are. Im truley offended that you think Im unaware of rape murder and other atrocities occur on a daily basis. Thats the point I've been trying to get across to you to start with. this stuff happens every day so what are YOU going to do about it? I've been wading through this murky topic for around 2 years now paying attention to civil rights abuses wrongful imprisonments, and laws benifiting rapists and murders and I've been contributing with everything I can. The reason my panties are in such a bunch is because you accuse me of being the apathetic one when you stated that you didnt bother participating in any politics because there a waste of time. I guess what it all boils down to is that I think people should start accepting there responsabilities as HUMAN BEINGS to help others make it through this life with as much as they can. Regardless of race, profession, party, or gender. I wish people would start living with humanity in mind. This spread sparks my interest only because readin peoples responses outrage me. I mean seriously oojay what the hell are you thinking? "just be thankful that we(I) live in the good ol' USA." FOR **** SAKE! Just because you dont hear about it dosnt mean its not happening. That post baiscally pushed me over the edge. Stuff like that pisses me off to no end. Anyway theres like no good threads on this board so I might as well post here. __________________ If I cant dance I dont want to be part of your revolution. DEATH TO FALSE DUDES!