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Originally Posted by boo boo
Putting Sitar in a pop song was a pretty novel idea.
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Sitar had been in folk rock elsewhere.
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Whats your source for Wilson being influenced by the flow of the album and nothing else.
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What he actually said in that famous interview quoted above. There is nothing beyond that that I know of, and thus no grounds for saying anything beyond it or for speculating.
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But it probably would have sucked. Like I said before, many of the most significant prog bands were very influenced by The Beatles.
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The foundations were looking pretty good in 1966. I don't see why it would have sucked. I think it would have been pretty much the same.
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Yeah, and they put it in the context of music that blended various genres. You're just pointing out all traces of The Beatles influence and telling me it strips them of any originality. What they did was innovative in the context of POP music.
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I agree with that. They put it into an accessible, catchy, memorable format.
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And I think being the most innovative pop act ever is more important than just a folk singer who decided to go electric.
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The latter is a more profound idea.
Wasn't a Beatles idea, and was created by Capitol, so I don't think it should be referred to as a Beatles album.
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I disagree with the bulk of this. Strawberry Fields Forever, I Am the Walrus, Penny Lane, Hello Goodbay, All You Need is Love and Fool on the Hill are all great songs, everything else is good too, the only weak track IMO is Flying.
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Yeah, they are all great songs. I was referring to the double EP though, the actual Beatles release.
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Originally Posted by sleepy jack
Bob Dylan was doing folk rock before the Byrds he was also doing it by themselves (the Byrds didn't even write some of their own music) and honestly I question whether or not Rainard has heard half the thing he's citing the Beatles stole from. I'm also curious as to where he's gained such insight into the White Album, The Beatles and Brian Wilson because he's coming up with accusations and thoughts that I've never heard before.
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The Byrds gave Dylan's Mr Tambourine Man the full electric treatment, pretty much pioneering folk rock (though they weren't the only ones, I'm not claiming that - there were others at the same time). Albums like Mr Tambourine Man, though yes it had numerous covers, were the most important of the early emerging folk rock sound.
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Even if it was just how the album flowed the Beatles still influenced Pet Sounds. You can't deny that, don't even try to or even discredit the Beatles for it. Brian Wilson has said the album wouldn't have happened without hearing Rubber Soul and I trust him as the authority on Pet Sounds. Sorry buddy.
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Yes, the Beatles did influence Pet Soundes as Brian Wilson himself said - but not the actual sound that Wilson created.
Dudes, I love the Beatles. I'm not trying to discredit them. I'm just trying to make sure they get the right credit for the things they really did do, not for the things they didn't. I've listened to the albums I quote, I have them on my computer - I'm not trolling. We can discuss the albums elsewhere if anybody wants. I'm trying to make a good discussion here, not annoy people.