This is a really good thread. I hope someone makes it a sticky. Anyway, I can't help ya much CA. I have no idea what either of those bands are

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Also, can anyone reccomend something along the lines of Opeth, but a little less depressing. Something really hardcore to get pumped up with, but with a nhillistic kinda emotionless feel to it. I'm in one of those "f*ck it I'm done caring" moods.