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Originally Posted by TheDonald
And neither do they occur from some innocent little 13 year old being raped by goons.
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The majority of abortions occur amongst the economically disadvantaged and children in their mid-teens. I havn't just been going on about girls being raped and there's a fact for you.
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If you refuse to read what I type to you, I may was well stop typin it. I never once said she should keep it, hence the multiple times I offered the solution of her giving her child to a family who is willing to raise it. Seriously, read my dozens of replies, you may be surprised that I have actually stated that numerous times...And if she doesn't want to do that, take the morning after pill. Regardless of age, it is available at all hospitals (except the cooky catholic ones).
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For the ten billionth time,
the morning after pill isn't guaranteed to work (it only works 89% of the time) and you can't purchase it anyway if you're under 18 and abortions commonly occur amongst WHO? TEENAGERS! CHILDREN UNDER 18.
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I quoted you verbatim.
See above.
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Okay then you should've had twice the chance to read what I say. You continue to exaggerate and only pick out little bits of what I say (see the rape comment you made above) and in some cases completely ignore everything I type and repeat something over and over like it proves something despite the fact my original statement answered it.
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I never said it was completely painless, but compared to a natural birth, an epidermal makes it a pretty easy task.
"The term epidural is often short for epidural anesthesia, a form of regional anesthesia involving injection of drugs through a catheter placed into the epidural space. The injection can cause both a loss of sensation (anaesthesia) and a loss of pain (analgesia), by blocking the transmission of signals through nerves in or near the spinal cord."
And my half facts are where again? Thank you.
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Not all woman want to deal with the side effects you realize that? You make it sound like it's all easy and no complicated at all. While in utero the baby baby can become lethargic and have problems getting into position for delivery. It's also been known to cause respiratory depression and decreased fetal heart rate. There's also the blood pressure complications, the headaches and very rarely permanent nerve damage could occur.
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Then make due with the space that you have. Ifit comes to murdering a child or making extra room in your house, just make the extra f*cking room in your house. Don't try to patronize me by making me out to be some pretentious rich white man.
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Once again, I'm talking orphanages Mr. put every baby you don't want into an adoption home.
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Most children in orphanages are older than babies. It is well known that it is much easier to get a baby adopted than an older child, and last time I check, women weren't birthing 8 year olds. And if this were an issue, the government should inrervene and allot more funds for the foster care system.
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Yeah but 1 in every 3 woman will abort once during her lifetime, you take that away (barring back alley abortions) and you're going to have much more babies to give up for adoption.
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And a used condom is? Prove to me that a fetus has no feeling (no nerve endings, etc). A comatose person cannot walk or breath without a respirator, but they are legally considered a human being.
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Prove to me a fetus is all that, you can't. It goes both ways and a fetus isn't legally considered a human being.
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You advocate the murder of innocent children, but somehow you call ME twisted? That's fresh brother, real fresh. Your argment was to legalize abortion on the basis that it would happen anyways. By this edict, all things that are illegal but happen anyways should be legalized as well. You were obviously wrong.
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Prove to me a fetus is an innocent child before you go and make statements like that. You're the one comparing abortion to shooting up meth and child molestations, which is extremely illogical.
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Okay, so you have to be a conservative christian male to be against abortion? If you cant make atleast TRY to make a rational argument, and sto pbashing religions for no reason, then just just shut up and let the grown up talk. Why must you and Fal bring religion into this? Your hatred of christianity is your decision, but don't thrust it into every debate that comes your way.
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Because it's those kind of people who make these ridiculous arguments, most of which work both ways (making it pretty pointless to debate) and are trying to impress disgusting bible inspired laws upon us.
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No, but why reward someone for committing a felony? So every time someone steals a TV we should give them a free surround sytem to go with it?
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Are we really rewarding them? Do we see an illegal immigrant and give him money and a big house and whatever he wants to do we deport them?
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And americans could fill them, and the National Guard is only 1 weekend a month and 2 weeks a year, leaving plenty of time for them to work the jobs
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We're not talking a few jobs, we're talking MILLIONS. There's an estimated 7 million to 20 million illegal immigrations in america. Let's meet in the middle, that's 13.5 MILLION jobs. There's 8.2 million unemployed people in America. What are we going to do about the millions of job that won't be filled?
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No, you just seem to hate america for some reason and rely on blaming the US for the world problems, rather than by relying on the facts and common sense. The US did not force mexico to take loans. And how can you tell me that creating jobs, albeit not the best ones, but jobs nonethelss, is a bad thing for mexico? You can't.
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I am relying on facts, I stated historic facts, you're just choosing to ignore them because you can't seem to comprehend the fact we're partly responsible for the state Mexico is in today.
The jobs aren't just not the best ones, they're horrible low wage jobs that you can't even support your family off of and if you can't support your family off the job why keep it? It's not helping you and taking up your time when you could sneak over the border and send money BACK to your family and support them. Really, if you were in there shoes which would you rather do? And don't give me that I'd stay in Mexico crap, you'd be hopping the border with the rest of them because you have a family to think about. I know it may be hard for you to comprehend but these are REAL PEOPLE with REAL FAMILIES, not just things and numbers. Just because they want to make a better life for themselves doesn't mean they deserved to be killed or detained.
People die trying to cross the border. Groups like the minute men have admitted that if they wanted to they could kill immigrants and no one would ever know. There are hundreds of bodies found along the border each year and these are just bodies FOUND. There's no true account on how many people die on the border every year, it's just an unknown figure we just know there's alot.
The fact you treat it like we're being invaded and we should force these people to enter the armed forces or go back and etc makes me sick. It's not even a plausible argument seeing as it's totally hypothetical so I don't know where I bother replying to it anymore. How do you think we got here anyway? By entering the native American army for four years? No we came through and slaughtered them. What are Mexicans doing, killing us, taking our land and stealing our woman? No they're Going through and filling jobs and keeping our economy, which is in a very poor state, in a better state then it would be. These are people are like you or me, were not superior to them, we're equal to them. They're not coming here with plans to take over the country, there looking for a better life, which is something everyone should strive for. What are you so worried about them doing? Soon they might seek citizenship and vote? Or god forbid it pay taxes and become contributing citizens?
I'll admit I did come off like I was saying America was the sole reason for Mexico's lack of prosperity and we're not but there are tons of other issues but America is a VERY large reason. I comprehend completely where you're coming from. It's the same disgusting ethnocentrism that seems to fill, no not fill, plague, every other American's mind like a sickness. You think because someone crosses an imaginary line in the land to search for a better life (leaving your home to go searching for a better life? sound familiar?) that they should be evicted. What about the native tribes that lived along the border? They have been forced of of THEIR land, that them and their ancestors have been on for who knows how long by invaders. Do people like you stand up for them? No because they're not "American." Displaced native tribes along the borders have become literally, indigenous aliens, exiled from their lands. I hope next time you cross the border you are detained without trial for months on end, then shipped across the border after your valuables have been stripped form you. That is all.