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Yeah and how isn't that hypothetical? You realize the majority of abortions, and this may shock you, don't occur between a happy couple who is going to be together forever and just aborts for the hell of it?
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And neither do they occur from some innocent little 13 year old being raped by goons.
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So the rape victim should be FORCED to keep the child she didn't want? From the sex she didn't want? Pregnant happens through rape, it's not the cause of most pregnancies but it's the cause of some and in those cases the woman should be given the choice of abortion something she didn't choose.
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If you refuse to read what I type to you, I may was well stop typin it. I never once said she should keep it, hence the multiple times I offered the solution of her giving her child to a family who is willing to raise it. Seriously, read my dozens of replies, you may be surprised that I have actually stated that numerous times...And if she doesn't want to do that, take the morning after pill. Regardless of age, it is available at all hospitals (except the cooky catholic ones).
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I never suggested every woman should have an abortion and many woman don't want abortions. You're taking everything I say out of context. Also not every child that is aborted is going to be the next Einstein or Dylan and that argument goes both ways. What if you aborted the next Hitler or Gacy? What if Jesus was aborted? I bet you Mary wouldn't have minded, God practically raped her.
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I quoted you verbatim.
See above.
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For childbirth to be painless you'd have to be completely shitfaced and you might not actually be able to contract your muscles. So the child may suffocate in the process, read up before you go and use half facts for your argument.
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I never said it was completely painless, but compared to a natural birth, an epidermal makes it a pretty easy task.
"The term epidural is often short for epidural anesthesia, a form of regional anesthesia involving injection of drugs through a catheter placed into the epidural space. The injection can cause both a loss of sensation (anaesthesia) and a loss of pain (analgesia), by blocking the transmission of signals through nerves in or near the spinal cord."
And my half facts are where again? Thank you.
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Not all of us are upper class white americans living in a comfortable home with a comfortable job that allows us to just move to a bigger house everytime we pop out a kid.
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Then make due with the space that you have. Ifit comes to murdering a child or making extra room in your house, just make the extra f*cking room in your house. Don't try to patronize me by making me out to be some pretentious rich white man.
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In addition to that are you even reading what I'm saying? I was talking about room in orphanedges not families.
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Most children in orphanages are older than babies. It is well known that it is much easier to get a baby adopted than an older child, and last time I check, women weren't birthing 8 year olds. And if this were an issue, the government should inrervene and allot more funds for the foster care system.
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You're missing what I'm saying. A fetus isn't a thinking, walking, breathing human being.
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And a used condom is? Prove to me that a fetus has no feeling (no nerve endings, etc). A comatose person cannot walk or breath without a respirator, but they are legally considered a human being.
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There's a difference between pedophiles, drugs and abortions. Back alley abortions DO happen and WILL happen. Christ, do you actually think someone doing drugs or having sex with a child is similar to childbirth? That's twisted.
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You advocate the murder of innocent children, but somehow you call ME twisted? That's fresh brother, real fresh. Your argment was to legalize abortion on the basis that it would happen anyways. By this edict, all things that are illegal but happen anyways should be legalized as well. You were obviously wrong.
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And why should you be forced to go through with childbirth? Because a bunch of conservative christians with penises that will never birth a child have dubbed something morally wrong?
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Okay, so you have to be a conservative christian male to be against abortion? If you cant make atleast TRY to make a rational argument, and sto pbashing religions for no reason, then just just shut up and let the grown up talk. Why must you and Fal bring religion into this? Your hatred of christianity is your decision, but don't thrust it into every debate that comes your way.
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It's not like we go "Hey! You illegally crossed the border? Well lets give you some money and a house and a job"
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No, but why reward someone for committing a felony? So every time someone steals a TV we should give them a free surround sytem to go with it?
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If you sent them all into the armed forces you'd be faced with the same problem because then you'd have millions of jobs needing to be done.
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And americans could fill them, and the National Guard is only 1 weekend a month and 2 weeks a year, leaving plenty of time for them to work the jobs.
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You know if you're going to ignore everything I say don't bother replying to it. I explained all of this and you keep repeating it and ignoring it and asking the same questions.
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No, you just seem to hate america for some reason and rely on blaming the US for the world problems, rather than by relying on the facts and common sense. The US did not force mexico to take loans. And how can you tell me that creating jobs, albeit not the best ones, but jobs nonethelss, is a bad thing for mexico? You can't.
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Yeah...hence the apples to oranges statement. Not even remotely similar to abortion. I don't really feel like getting in an animal rights debate especially if everything I say is going to be exaggerated.
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Big3KilledMyRainDog brought up the part about killing animals, bitch at him about it, not me. And it's hard to exaggerate when I quote EXACTLY what you typed...