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Old 01-10-2008, 04:49 PM   #9 (permalink)
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It obviously belongs to the father as well.
In situations like teenage pregnancy which are primarily in my experience where abortions happen the father usually leave. This just happened with a friend very recently in fact and you can hardly expect a rapist to stick around now can you? Also childbirth is painful not many woman want to go through with it.

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I agree somewhat. I just think that in cases like this the baby could be put up for adoption, rather than aborted. I realize that our adoption and foster care system is already packed to the brim, but even in cases of rape as you stated, there's still an innocent child's life at stake. Maybe I'm a bleeding heart, I dunno. I just think abortion is wrong.
I repeat, childbirth is painful. If it was just likeshitting out a child more people would probably go through with it and then if more people went through with it we'd start having problems housing all these children because everyone who didn't want their child would put them up for adoption. I'm not big on population control type theories, in fact I detest them, but fetuses aren't humans they could be but so could other things I won't get into that is unnecessarily vulgar yet we don't impose a ban on self-pleasure.

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I think your just being a wee bit stereotypical. If abortion is banned, I don't think women will be troliing around back alleys with a coat hanger trying to abort their unborn children left and right. If it's banned, they will simply birth their children. Perhaps I'm an optimist, but I believe that even if you don't want your child, someone else does.
Um...most people going to abort their child usually feel pretty strongly about getting it aborted and in some cases birthing the child isn't an option for both the fetus and the mother. There would be back alley abortions and it would be a mess, it would be a very huge problem. I realize everyone wants to believe the best for people but being optimistic and thinking everyone wants to have a child is being very naive.

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I agree 100% that every person has the right to be happy (within reason, we've all seen "To Catch A Predator" on DateLine lol).I'm all for homosexuals joining together in a life-long bond, but I just have trouble calling it a "marriage." But they most certainly deserve the same rights and securities as a heterosexual couple. I hate to seemingly be close minded, but that's just how I feel about it.
If they deserve the same rights and securities as a heterosexual couple they deserve marriage. Seeing as thats both a right and a sense of security in the relationship.

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Our economy always needs all the help it can get, but hiring illegals is not the answer to economic prosperity.
It's not like we went into Mexico and said "Hey guys! Come to America and help our economy!" They just illegally crossed the border yeah for very understandable reasons and got jobs. Now theres a lot of them working, millions if you were to tell them all to go back we'd start having a lot of problems.

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While these illegals make more than they would ever make in mexico, they still earn very meager wages here in the states, which is unfair to them.
A meager US wave is much higher than a meager Mexican wage you realize that right? It's not like they're getting an extra dollar a year over here, that wouldn't be worth it. They're making much more over here.

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They also pay no income tax, which is unfair to the other hard-working americans who do. I do realize that we need these immigrants in order to make the cogs of our economy turn, but we must do things right, These people came here ILLEGALLY. I realize that had good reason to leave mexico, but they sill broke the law nonetheless, and should not be rewarded with full amnesty for that.
So what do you want us to do? Send them all the millions back and then face the even more serious problems we would be facing? Like what to do with all the jobs Americans won't do but need to be done?

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What I personally believe we should do is to offer illegals a ROAD to amnesty. Give them the option to either go back to their home country and return here legally, or let them serve in the armed forces for 4 years, and then grant them their amnesty.
I'm sorry but are you serious? I wouldn't even want to serve in the armed forces for a year let alone four and I would hardly expect anyone else to want to serve in the armed forces especially for this war that is fucked up in too many ways to get into. Also in many ways you're sending them off to their death. I don't think I need to get into the issue of racism in the army (remember all those lovely photos in certain jails a few years ago?) They wouldn't be treated fairly in the army and that war is disgusting and should never have happened. These people just want to support themselves and their family, they don't want to die for a country they may never receive citizenship for because they didn't live long enough.

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I agree that they have little incentive to stay in mexico, but that is hardly America's fault. How is it our fault that mexico has no minimum wage or labor laws? I'm stumped on this one.

A predatory lending spree? You do see the contadiction with that statement, right? No one forced mexico to do anything.

This is a sad truth. Mexico does nothing to take care of it's impoverished. I have been to mexicao before and seen it first hand. It is not america's fault that mexico is in such poor shape, but we should be doing much more to help. We need to expedite and simplify the process of coming to the US legally, no excuses.

The US has been infamous for pimping out our labor. I doubt that Mexico is a "low cost alternative" in comparison with child-filled factories in cambodia and loas, but they still do the work for an unfair wage. While the wage is undoubtedly unfair, it is still money. Pimping our workload out to mexico only puts more money into their weak economy, which is helps them.
Argh did you decide to completely ignore nearly everything I typed? Mexico DID have a thriving economy at one time. Mexico had vast oil reserves that made them a country in strong competitions with others in the oil market but as I said America started its little lending campaign and held the oil as collateral putting Mexico in somewhat of a fix. We expected them to pay off loans while taking there main source of income, which isn't a surprise we've always put oil first.

Mexico's government is partly to blame for there problems but you aren't listening America can't just sit here and say "It's Mexico's problem" when it was also very much the fault of America. I'm sure if the Mexican government had the ability to just magically eliminate poverty in their country they would in a second but the fact is they don't. They aren't able to offer low interest loans or create good industry wages for people at factories, it's not like they're in the situation for kicks.

I don't think you really understand the problem with malquiladoras. These are factories set up by AMERICAN BASED COMPANIES IN MEXCIO FOR LOW WAGE LABOR. That's the key thing, people are working in conditions very similar to some asian factories. The Mexican government doesn't have the ability to say no to these factories because they're owned by major American companies like walmart and if they were to say something they run the risk of finacial and diplomatic seclusion from the US in a time when aid is very much needed but we won't give it because we have no interest in serving anyone else but ourselves. More people need to realize just how much of a pile of crap these "War on Terrorisms" and "Getting Rid of Sadams" missions are. If we really had interest in helping countries we would be in Darfur right now and we would also have been in Mexico along time ago.

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Did you seriously just compare taking the life of an unborn child to scarfin' down a KFC chicken wing? How does killing a child benefit society?

Hunting is obviously murder. I only condone hunting when it is a way to obtain food. If you're just sittin' on your porch and shooting cats with a shotgun, then there's obviously something wrong with you.

Abortion is murder. It is taking the life of another human being w/o their consent. There's no way around that. It has nothing to do with imbecilic Christians, or imbecils of other religions.
How do slaughter houses benefit society? By pumping up obesity and blood pressures and creating some of the most disgusting industries ever? Anyway there's a difference between animals and unborn and unthinking fetuses. I think Animal abuse and the meat industry is more akin to child abuse than abortion anyway and if we're going to continue to argue abortion we shouldn't sit here with our apples and oranges when the oranges aren't necessary.
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Ive seen you on muiltipul forums saying Metallica and slayer are the worst **** you kid go suck your **** while you listen to your ****ing emo **** I bet you do listen to emo music
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