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Then why did you say "like I stated before" whatever... it doesn't matter
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I've said before on the forum. I never specified when.
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OKay... and? Yea Bob Dylan is genius of course... so... I'm not trying to say that MJ is the BEST BESTEST songwriter on the planet. I know that there are alot of other better song writers. Just because there are other better songwriters doesn't mean his a terrible song writer because his far from it. I'm not saying his the GREATEST his one of the greatest songwriters to me. MJ music is very meaningful his writes about real stuff and his personal life. Its just what you take from it and what you get out of it. I love TDCAU its a good meaningful song but you didn't like it... thats you.
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It's not meaningful, just because you take a deep topic and write forced lyrics about it doesn't make it meaningful.
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I don't understand all that jibb jive you was saying but who gives a flook about rhyming, timing and how the words flow. Alot of the greatest songs ever are just lyrics read over beats. There is no rhyme just someone reading over instrumentals and it flows good. Art comes in different forms bro, its all in how you preceive it. Were talking about LYRICS not about how it flowed (which it did successfully) anyway... I mean what did you get out of the song? You making it seem like the lyrics were irrelavant and it had no message. Dude was preachin the truth and both videos was on point to. So what? A five year old could have wrote some of the things Bob dylan wrote. Its not about how it was written its the message. Just like Man in the Mirror another MJ classic that had a good message its irrelavant to this convo because he exactly didn't write that song but my point is MJ always had meaningful songs that got people thinking about the state of the world. We are the world, he wrote that along side lionel richie. He did alot of charity songs and just all his music was real especially when it got down to his private life because I feel for him and the ish he has to go through.
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Forced rhyming, cliched imagery, all that is the making of bad lyrics. That's why its irrevelant. I don't give a s
hit what you've been through if you can't illustrate it through words well you're not a good songwriter.
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Its good to stick to your ground and defend your position but your just only seeing black and white its no room for blue. Everything has to be right your way and if its not it just sucks and it also has to suck to other people. You haven't at all given credit to MJ. Your assuming things you have no clue about. I don't understand how you can say MJ is so overrated and his this and that but you haven't listened to all his music, looked at his vids, or anything. Your basing your explanations on what you think not what you've heard or seen. Your making it seem like his not talented and your underrating him. His much more than that. His extremely talented.
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I have to listen to everyone of his songs to say he's overrated? That's bullsh
it, I just have to listen to one album to come to that conclusion.
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Crow you need to stop with this probably crap and assuming ish once again. Just listen to the music and then make an opinion. How can you make an opinion before you listen to the song? Thats your definition of criticism. Its stupid because you haven't heard him play and you haven't listened to any of his music like that. You want to be so opinionated but you have nothin to prove because you haven't listened to the music. Michael Jackson creates art and puts alot of time and effort in the work that he does. His been doing it practically his whole life, MJ loves what he does. His not about the awards and record sells. He loves making music and entertaining people, he wouldn't be doing it for so long if he didn't. His sells alot of records because his music is good.
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Selling lots of records doesn't mean good music, going by that logic tons of crap like Britney Spears is good music. You can go on about that being apples to oranges all you want but the fact is the same logic can be applied to any of this crap thats being passed of as music today.
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You don't want to listen to his music fine but stop saying he probably can't play and I'm pretty sure... because its retarded because you haven't listened or seen for urself.
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I've listened to Thriller, Bad and Off the Wall and heard plenty of hits. You're treating it like i've never heard a Michael Jackson song in my life, i've heard plenty.
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but don't sit here and judge something that you have never heard.
You have not heard "plenty of Michael Jackson" music because if you did, I wouldn't be hearing; it probably sounds like this... im pretty sure he can't play instruments and this and that, whatever. You try to judge base on what you believe not on what you heard or seen lol oh yea and those "credible sources"
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Are you serious? I don't have magical powers. I can't hear a guitar chord and tell you who just played it, sorry.