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Old 12-08-2007, 03:46 PM   #47 (permalink)
mjscarousal
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I am not going to force myself to listen to the sonic crap that is Michael Jackson, even his "good" stuff is boring and no, people can argue alot of Michael Jackson albums suck. I think everything he's done has sucked. Are you going to tell me i'm not allowed to say that because I have to give him 'credit'? I think he released nothing but pop crap that pleased the masses at the time and the editors of Rolling Stone later.
lol Not trying to force you to listen to MJ, Frankly don't care if you ever do or dont, ur missing out though. My thing is just don't hate on and belittle Mike because MJ is tight. Yes people can argue that MJ albums suck those PEOPLE HAVE TO HAVE EXACTLY LISTENED TO ALL HIS ALBUMS TO MAKE SUCH AN ARGUEMENT. How you going to say so and so sucks, when you haven't even listened to the album for yourself to make an opinion? thats what your doing. You making all these arguements and you haven't listened to all his albums, you don't know what songs MJ's written and exactly produced and arranged himself. You keep on bringing up Q because you don't know ish your just assuming what YOU want to think and what YOU want to believe.




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Why should I? He doesn't deserve any, he doesn't make good music he makes popular music. The only information i've been able to finds on Michael Jackson's supposed songwriting skills is he plays "multiple instruments" NEVER do they name which instrument and he didn't play anything in the Jackson 5 either so there's no backing there. I am not going to give a product like Michael Jackson any credit. He isn't even an artist, he makes dull pop music for the masses just because he's managed to do it since the 70s doesn't make him any better than 50 Cent or Jennifer Lopez.
Bam right there.... see you find info which is good but you don't want to accept it... once again thats you. It doesn't change reality and what it really is. MJ plays instruments and writes hundreds and hundreds of songs. It takes him along time to narrow it down thats why he releases albums 4-5 years apart because he wants to choose to the right tracks. LOL ah... no Mike didn't play no instruments in the J5. So now your saying that his in the same category of 50 cent and JLO man you smoking some mad weed this convo is ridiculous its to funny lol We have a child prodigy dude been performing since he was 5 years old sold alot records with his bros and won alot of awards. Went solo conquered the music industry surpasses elvis, beatles etc sold ALOT more records, won alot more awards and you have the nerve to say his a 50 cent , JLo.. dude lay off whatever ur on because its stupid and ridiculous. If you don't prefer the man's music thats fine, I respect ur opinion but don't be making some outlandish crap comments, its stupid.




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No he isn't and don't care Prince and Michael Jackson if you want to talk about apples and oranges. Prince is a talented musician, Michael Jackson isn't. Michael Jackson doesn't play any instruments that i've seen and his 'songwriting' is probably just his lyrics and if you consider "No one wants to be defeated / Showing how funky and strong is your fight / It doesn't matter who's wrong or right / Just beat it" good lyrics then you need to get your head check.
I don't understand you and how you come up with ur conclusions and how you make ur opinions. Now when I said don't mix apples and oranges I meant don't mix crap and talent together. You brought up paris hilton, don't know why.. but you brought her up to make a dumb comparision. I mentioned Prince last time because his sound is diverse like how MJ diverse's his music to. I said that to make a point earlier. Once again you mix apples and oranges again. For the last stinkin time PRINCE AND MJ ARE TWO DIFFERENT ARTISTS. 2 COMPLETLY DIFFERENT ARTISTS. How in the world are you going to compare to artists that have nothin common besides from the fact, they were both influenced by James Brown and both legends? How can you say another artist is a better musician when the other artist doesn't really play instruments? How can you make such an comparion when one doesn't do the other it doesn't make sence. I could see maybe if you said who is the better musician. Jimi Hendrix or Prince? Okay these are two artists that are MUSICIANS. MJ and Prince are NOT. MJ does play "some instruments" but MJ is an entertainer. Yes out of the two Prince is the better "musician".
.... It is good lyrics.. what is he talking about in the song?, matter of fact think about it. You want to examine songs now? and once again you need to exactly listen to ALL of MJ albums and not the main songs you think you know.


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Michael Jackson invent videos with storyline and art? I highly doubt that, MTV didn't invent music videos you realize that right? They just popularized them and there's a huge difference between popularizing and inventing.
Never said MTV invented music videos and I never said MJ "invented" videos with a storyline and art and please correct me if I'm wrong. What I meant was his videos exactly are creative and innovative. You were comparing his vids to the crappy vids they make now, don't know why but you did. You have people now trying to copy the essence MJ had in his videos that can NEVER be re- done because its already been done. Thats the problem now with music nobody can't be innovative there just copying off of one another and of course that goes for the music vids to.

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Okay i'm going to break this down for you because i've debated this several times already with you and you keep replying with the same argument and I don't know if you just don't understand or if you're just too thick to comprehend what i'm saying. Here we go ready?

HE INFLUENCED ONE ARTIST WORTH INFLUENCING, THE REST ARE POP SHIT. BOY II MEN IS AWFUL, SO IS JANET. EVERY ARTIST YOU NAMED HAS CONTRIBUTED NOTHING TO MUSIC AND ARE NOT GOOD WITH THE EXCEPTION OF WU TANG CLAN. HE INFLUENCED ONE OF 9 RAPPERS OUT OF THAT GROUP. MICHAEL JACKSON HAS INFLUENCED, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF RZA, NO ONE OF ANY MUSICAL IMPORTANCE. THIS STATEMENT ISN'T CONCRETE, IT COULD CHANGE OVERTIME YEAH BUT SO FAR YOU'VE YET TO NAME ANY ARTIST, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF RZA, WORTH NAMING. DO YOU UNDERSTAND?

lol I see ur point base on how YOU feel. Whether the artists he influenced are crappy are not he still was influential. Whether the artists he influenced were crap or not. Janet and Boys II men are good. I wouldn't put them in the same category as like Stevie, Marvin, MJ etc but they are good. All the female acts model after her and there hasn't been a foreal r&b soul band like Boys II men since the 90's for (new skool). I feel you though... still even if some of the artists he influenced were crap he still was influential it doesn't matter if the artists are irrelavant. What that got to do with him? That has nothing to do with HIS talents and abilities just because an artist he influences sucks.
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