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Originally Posted by mjscarousal
For the record, this is ridiculous and your not giving MJ credit at all. MJ's music is definitly timeless and always will be. People are STILL playing Billie Jean, Don't stop till you get enough, The way you make me feel, Black or white, You are not alone, Butterflies,(notice every single song I mention is taken from every MJ album)
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So? People are still listening to one Motley Crue, a defining 80s hair metal band. Are you going to start calling them timeless? Timeless would be something like the Beatles, Tortoise or Primal Scream something you could listen to TODAY and despite the fact it was made decades ago it still sounds like it could've been made yesterday. Michael Jackson isn't timeless at all oh and the reason i'm not giving him credit is because he doesn't deserve any. Quincy Jones deserve it all. As I stated before I find it funny how the only three albums Michael Jackson made that people talk about were the ones that Quincy Jones produced and helped write and we don't even know just how much he helped write but i'm willing to bet he did more than Michael Jackson did on it. The only thing timeless about Michael Jackson is his police record and how many childrens minds hes scarred and ruined over there at Neverland Ranch.
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Thriller doesn't fit todays music market because music today is CRAP. Its not about quality music, once again its about whats sells. People don't care about good music anymore, they buy the ish.People don't care about making good music anymore.
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People don't care about good music anymore? So A Silver Mt. Zion, The Flaming Lips, Okkervil River, Belle and Sebastian, Belle Orchestra, Radiohead, Andrew Bird, The Shins, Ampere, Emily Haines and the Soft Skeleton, Circle Takes the Square, The Polyphonic Spree, Sigur Rós, Final Fantasy, Black Moth Super Rainbow, Morrissey, Panda Bear, CocoRosie, Art Brut, Grizzly Bear, Hello Saferide, Jens Lekman, Animal Collective, Xiu Xiu, Built to Spill, The Raveonettes, Adam Green, Alina Simone, Camera Obscura, Someone Still Loves You Boris Yeltsin, The City on Film, Bishop Allen, Page France, Patrick Wolf, Sondre Lerche, Fruit Bats and litterally hundres of other artists who spent months and months writing and refining their sound and releasing albums hailed as modern classics are all crap and don't care about making quality music? How about you go and learn something about music before you walk around dropping such incredibly ignorant, no not just ignorant STUPID statements as that. Music is just as good today as it was twenty years ago, hell i'd actually consider it better now than it was in the eights when your beloved Michael Jackson was in his prime. Thanks to indepedent record labels and the internet artists have more room to be creative without having to worry about no one hearing about them. Creativity and succes can no go hand in hand, something the music industry hasn't seen in a long time.
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This goes for ALL the classics but back on topic people are still bumpin all of MJ songs and even Jackson 5/ The Jacksons song. ALL MJ albums were real good.
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Yeah...I addressed this already with the Motley Crue point. People are still buying Sunny and Cher albums, still buying Donny and Marie albums are you going to argue those artists are timeless? Just because you listened to crappy music in the 80s doesn't mean you're suddenly going to start listening to good music in the 00s, hell you're probably STILL going to be listening to the crap you liked back when. Music tastes of the average radio fan don't change. I still know people that listen to the Backstreet Boys and Britney Spears, are they timeless?
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You can only make a real tru honest opinion until you exactly listened to ALL his albums, which I'm pretty sure you haven't. The ONLY one you we can probably argue is Invincible thats it but even still I love Invincible, definitly not his best but it wasn't a bad album.
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I am not going to force myself to listen to the sonic crap that is Michael Jackson, even his "good" stuff is boring and no, people can argue alot of Michael Jackson albums suck. I think everything he's done has sucked. Are you going to tell me i'm not allowed to say that because I have to give him 'credit'? I think he released nothing but pop crap that pleased the masses at the time and the editors of Rolling Stone later.
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Why does Quincy Jones always end up in the mix when were talking about MJ?
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BECUASE HE PRODUCED AND HELPED WRITE MICHAEL JACKSON'S THREE MOST CRITICALLY ACCLAIMED ALBUMS, THAT IS WHY!
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Quincy and Mike back in the day were a great pair they made history. Why do you keep making it seem like because of Quincy MJ is successful, bull ish, MJ was already successful long before he worked with Quincy. He just really wanted to work with him because he was a hot producer and it turned out the match was successful but once again MJ wrote just about ALL those songs on the three albums Q helped produced. Billie Jean, Beat It, The Way you make me feel, wanna be startin somethin, don't stop till you get enough all of those HITS were written by Michael Jackson. Stop hatin and just give the man credit. MJ deserves everything he has received and achieved.
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Why should I? He doesn't deserve any, he doesn't make good music he makes popular music. The only information i've been able to finds on Michael Jackson's supposed songwriting skills is he plays "multiple instruments" NEVER do they name which instrument and he didn't play anything in the Jackson 5 either so there's no backing there. I am not going to give a product like Michael Jackson any credit. He isn't even an artist, he makes dull pop music for the masses just because he's managed to do it since the 70s doesn't make him any better than 50 Cent or Jennifer Lopez.
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Plse lets not mix apple and oranges. My whole point was MJ is very diverse he didn't always sing popular music as he is really known for. He did other things. Like Prince, mixed funk, jazz etc. Of course people with NO TALENT who do random crap on a album of course its crap. Somebody like MJ has REAL genius talent so what kind of comparision was that? You keep putting MJ in some low mediocre category when he is MUCH more than that.
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No he isn't and don't care Prince and Michael Jackson if you want to talk about apples and oranges. Prince is a talented musician, Michael Jackson isn't. Michael Jackson doesn't play any instruments that i've seen and his 'songwriting' is probably just his lyrics and if you consider "No one wants to be defeated / Showing how funky and strong is your fight / It doesn't matter who's wrong or right / Just beat it" good lyrics then you need to get your head check.
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Ahh.. hell yea and its no give me a break, MJ made some tight a$$ vids the videos out TODAY suck booty, bitch and whine about them but MJ exactly created art and a story line. Music videos do suck the ones out now but MJ's are tight. He influenced music, through music, songwriting, dance, he broke alot records, once again I talked about this already.
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Michael Jackson invent videos with storyline and art? I highly doubt that, MTV didn't invent music videos you realize that right? They just popularized them and there's a huge difference between popularizing and inventing.
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Once again, this whole he influenced a bunch of crap artists is stupid. So did Aretha Franklin, So did the Beatles, So Led Zepplin, EVERY artist influences other artists. Some are crap, some are talented, thats human nature bro. Why are you just making it seem like its ONLY Michael Jackson who influenced crap artists when there other great acts that have to. Janet is good, Boys II Men is good the rest I can live without I just mentioned them because they were influenced by MJ.
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Okay i'm going to break this down for you because i've debated this several times already with you and you keep replying with the same argument and I don't know if you just don't understand or if you're just too thick to comprehend what i'm saying. Here we go ready?
HE INFLUENCED ONE ARTIST WORTH INFLUENCING, THE REST ARE POP SHIT. BOY II MEN IS AWFUL, SO IS JANET. EVERY ARTIST YOU NAMED HAS CONTRIBUTED NOTHING TO MUSIC AND ARE NOT GOOD WITH THE EXCEPTION OF WU TANG CLAN. HE INFLUENCED ONE OF 9 RAPPERS OUT OF THAT GROUP. MICHAEL JACKSON HAS INFLUENCED, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF RZA, NO ONE OF ANY MUSICAL IMPORTANCE. THIS STATEMENT ISN'T CONCRETE, IT COULD CHANGE OVERTIME YEAH BUT SO FAR YOU'VE YET TO NAME ANY ARTIST, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF RZA, WORTH NAMING. DO YOU UNDERSTAND?