Okay first and foremost I am enjoy this conversation which is why I continue to have it, but lets get a few things straight. I looked up the definition of pretentious...and it does not fit.
1. Claiming or demanding a position of distinction or merit, especially when unjustified.
2. Making or marked by an extravagant outward show;
So HAH! Bite me (joking of course)
Here is what being pretentious would sound like: (and I do believe this by the by)
I know most of the people who are religious do not believe in their religion entirely because if they did they would ever lie, cheat, steal or break any of the bible (or other religious text) laws because eternal salvation, as it promises, is way to great a reward to risk.
That's pretentiousness.
Moving on...
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It is a music site. But you wouldn't say something along the lines of "Bush is responsable for 9/11, because Immortal Technique says so" now would you?
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If I believed it yes of course and i do believe God, as we know him is a concept.
"Bush knocked down the towers" etc etc. good stuff.
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Perhaps you should look up what the definition of pretentiousness is. Believing that it just might be possible that everything in existence is not just a happy accident is nowhere near as pretentious as say, believing that everyone who believes something different than you do don't actually believe it, as if someone is forcing them or something. Which is pretty stupid.
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Perhaps you should, because you define it incorrectly, regardless I know what you mean and I think the tone of the message gets lost without the cadence and emphasis of spoken word. Much Love.
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For one, if I knew for a fact all my friends were going to hell because they don't share my beliefs, I sure as hell wouldn't feel better.
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This is how I know they do not 100% believe. If you KNEW the only way to "save" people you loved was to get them to believe Gods word, you'd never rest until they believed. Does that make any sense to you yet? (
he says in a authentically curious tone without the least bit on condescension)
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The big band theory isn't that complicated, everyone knows the basic idea.
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The Big Bang theory is remarkably complicated actually. It's just not taught in detail unless you are an astronomy major like my son.
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I'm a strong believer in the afterlife btw. But I don't want to argue about that.
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I am not a believer or non believer , I am taking the wait and see approach.
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I never said there was absolute proof, in fact I'm not trying to prove anything. But I get the impression that you think theres proof that god dosen't exist, that I have a problem with.
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Get rid of that impression. While yes I think it's a far more logical conclusion that he does not exist, there is no proof and never will be any, so don't pigeon hole me there please.
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Besides. Believing in things that can't be explained or proven, that is essentially what faith is.
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Not essentially, exactly!
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Well I agree with that 100%
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Shows how smart we both are huh?
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Because Christians actually believe what The Bible says, they believe that if they don't accept that Jesus died on the cross for their sins and repent for all their sins then they will burn in hell. So to say false comfort is the main factor in religion is oversimplifying it. Give a little credit to Mr. Fear.
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Maybe it is but I was trying to offer a simple explanation for the start of organized religion. Yes fear plays a role in some religions but that has come with time. I am hypothesizing more about the origins of the Clu
ster**** we call religion.
Thanks for the links, I've seen them before, good stuff.
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Death of the body. Which leads to another thing, no one has proven or disproven the existence of souls. So therefore the afterlife just like god is completely untouchable as far as proving or disproving is concerned.
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Here's the only place I take issue with you. Because someone can't be disproved does not suggest it might exist. Here's what we can say for certain: If there is a God or an afterlife we have zero evidence of it's existence.
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You cant blame god for how people interpret his being, you can only blame him for not making it clear that he exists.
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I don't blame God, I blame the people.
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And of course the fact that no one can actually see god and that he dosen't seem to have any kind of influence on world affairs is a good reason to be skeptical, though the Christians explanation for this is that god gives us free will and chooses not to intervene.
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And you don't think that's all a little ridiculous? Just saying I sure do.
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Anyway, you can laugh at me all you want for quoting Rumsfield but. The absense of evidence is not the evidence of absense.
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Quote away just don't break into song like Ashcroft. "Let the Eagles Sore"
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Obviously there is no need for us to argue anymore.
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I beg to differ, always a good reason to debate...
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What I meant is you trying to explain why people believe in god. The reasons vary greatly depending on the religion and on the individual.
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Perhaps, but I still think "The search for comfort to pain we can't explain" is the lowest common denominator.
"The search for comfort to pain we can't explain" Good song title huh?
Anyway I think we agree on too much to argue much more, but lets get things straight first with all this business.