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Originally Posted by JayJamJah
Of course not, but it's a topical reference for a music site and a discussion on religion\spirituality and it helps lay out my thesis.
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It is a music site. But you wouldn't say something along the lines of "Bush is responsable for 9/11, because Immortal Technique says so" now would you?
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It's not pretentious, it's my belief. It's no more pretentious then believing in God.
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Perhaps you should look up what the definition of pretentiousness is. Believing that it just might be possible that everything in existence is not just a happy accident is nowhere near as pretentious as say, believing that everyone who believes something different than you do don't
actually believe it, as if someone is forcing them or something. Which is pretty stupid.
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I don't tell people they are wrong, or that they should not believe in God. I don't insist I am right, I simply have an opinion different then yours.
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But you tried to give a simple explanation (more like a generalization) of why people believe in god. Unfortunately its a lot more complicated than just people using the idea of god to make themselves feel better. For one, if I knew for a fact all my friends were going to hell because they don't share my beliefs, I sure as hell wouldn't feel better.
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The fact that you don't like a particular theory is not a reason to make another one based on no facts at all
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This is another good example of you being pretentious.
For one, I have already said evolution can't be disproved, so you should know that when I say that, I'm also saying creationism can't be proven. I never said there was any proof in my theory, it was just an idea. And its not any less valid than you saying theres absolutely no way a supreme being could exist in some form.
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and believe it to me more logical. Calling it a happy accident is oversimplifying our understanding of our galaxy and solar system's origins quite a bit as well.
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The big band theory isn't that complicated, everyone knows the basic idea.
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One of the major reasons I am certain all the modern religions have it wrong regardless of God's existence in any form is that they limit God to overseeing the species the Earth. Based on what we know about the Universe works and that they're all trillions of solar systems in it's infinite singularity it seems a little bit absurd to suggest this is the only one with life in some form.
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Yes, that
is absurd.
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Yes I do, I know I and everyone else will die here on earth. That's all I mean. Not a debatable point.
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True. But you don't know what happens after you die on Earth if anything at all, no one does.
I'm a strong believer in the afterlife btw. But I don't want to argue about that.
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You've heard this before but...Absence of disproof is not the presence of proof.
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I never said there was absolute proof, in fact I'm not trying to prove
anything. But I get the impression that you think theres proof that god dosen't exist, that I have a problem with.
Besides. Believing in things that can't be explained or proven, that is essentially what faith is.
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I'm not trying to convince anyone there is no God. I am only saying that every religion in the history of time has got it wrong. I don't know what's right and I am okay with that. I just don't like other people pretending they do know and telling me how sure they are I am wrong.
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Well I agree with that 100%
Though I believe there is a god in some form, I consider myself an Agnostic. And I'm a big critic of Religion. Which recently led to a big argument on DDD with some Christian members.
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So why join a group that says it is the word of God!? (not saying just you, anyone)
Why not just do what is right for the sake of doing what is right in the hopes that if there is a God he would be cool with that?
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Because Christians actually believe what The Bible says, they believe that if they don't accept that Jesus died on the cross for their sins and repent for all their sins then they will burn in hell. So to say false comfort is the main factor in religion is oversimplifying it. Give a little credit to Mr. Fear.
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It disproves the existence of God as Christians believe in Him. But I'm not trying to make that argument, it's pointless in my estimation.
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Since we're talking about evolution. How about some hillarious vids of Christians trying to "disprove" evolution?
YouTube - Peanut Butter, The Atheist's Nightmare!
YouTube - The atheist's nightmare: the banana
I won't even waste my time explaining everything that is wrong with those "theories". Pretty much anyone should figure out for themselves.
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Since our own reality is all we will ever understand here, I am okay with them limiting their discoveries to that. As for the afterlife, kind of an oxymoron isn't it? We know what's after life, death. Nothing left to discover.
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Death of the body. Which leads to another thing, no one has proven or disproven the existence of souls. So therefore the afterlife just like god is completely untouchable as far as proving or disproving is concerned.
Though I have experienced some odd things in my life, and I'm pretty sure it wasn't a weather balloon or swamp gas.
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The Koran is a better example of text being taken literally gone awry. And while I know what you mean, the bible itself says it should be taken very literally. And religion is responsible for more violence, death and destruction in modern history then anything or anyone else by far. God's got some splanning to do...
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You cant blame god for how people interpret his being, you can only blame him for not making it clear that he exists.
And of course the fact that no one can actually see god and that he dosen't seem to have any kind of influence on world affairs is a good reason to be skeptical, though the Christians explanation for this is that god gives us free will and chooses not to intervene.
Anyway, you can laugh at me all you want for quoting Rumsfield but. The absense of evidence is
not the evidence of absense.
Once again, I'm not trying to prove god exists, since I'm not even completely sure myself. But I don't buy the idea that the Universe was just the result of some random thing, and that so many complex life forms could exist without the influence of some kind of intelligent design.
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I'm glad we agree on so much, but I'm not sure what you think I am arguing, because you are agreeing mostly with the point I am making. Which is...
Religion is significantly flawed and unnecessary at best and fatally destructive at worst.
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Obviously there is no need for us to argue anymore.
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Occam's Razor would beg to differ.
There is no way to know how simple or complex God is.
God is a conceptual paradox. Faith is one hypothesis and to me it is the most flawed.
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What I meant is you trying to explain why people believe in god. The reasons vary greatly depending on the religion and on the individual.