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Originally Posted by Crowquill
They'll hate us no matter what, so why stay there and be directly there in front of them and have our soldiers personally subject to their hate? They'll hate us no matter what, why not leave? Because our leaders don't care to.
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I really hate repeating myself. THEY WILL HATE US MORE IF WE LEAVE. We invaded their country, blew it up and killed a lot of people, now we're trying to help clean up some of our own mess. If we leave, they will certainly hold a grudge against us for leaving it to them. They say they wont to be left alone, but we know enough how illogical and hypocritical they are. If we leave they will turn it around and call us cowards and deserters.
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After 9/11 there was not a country in Europe that didn't want to reach out and help us. To go from having the whole world at your side, to having them view you as their biggest threat to peace, in under 5 years, takes some terrible desicion making.
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I never said we didn't make terrible decisions, but the bad decisions was the way we went to war, how we executed it, how we timed it. The idea of simply going to war with Iraq wasn't the bad decision, that was a good one.
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However, when the French left Algeria in the 60's, they didn't loose any prestige. Why would we?
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PLEASE. STOP with the historical comparisons. Not every country is exactly the same.
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Other than the fact that we don't have much to start with, why? Other countries learned after WWII to release imperial possessions. The United States is still stuck in the late 19th, early 20th century mindset.
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I doubt it, weither you want to believe it, things HAVE changed since 9/11.
Bill Maher says otherwise, but Bill Maher is an idiot.
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Once again, your logic is absolutely horrendous. Were you born with this horrible logic or did you develop it naturally. No one is comparing Iraq to Nicaragua.
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Then why bring it up, how is it relevent?
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Nicaragua was another country with a stable democracy that was not US funded and backed. The US can't have that. We have a monopoly on democracy, and you have to come to us if you want one.
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And its simple, there was a time when we did let other countrys that had been revolutionized govern themselves, and this lead to communism. Bad mistake. The UN was developed to deal with these kinds of problems, but they don't.
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No one said anything about Iraq being like Nicaragua, you just can't distinguish when someone is comparing one country to another, and when someone is using another country as an example to counter the reasoning you are supporting, and the reasoning we were given to go into Iraq. We don't support democracies, saying we were going there to bring them democracy is bull.
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You're wrong. We know better than to repeat what happened with Israel circa 1948. This wont be a fecade, if it was it would make things worse with other middle eastern countries, and the last thing we need is to have to deal with more of them.
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What does it have to do with Iraq? My god man, can't you read the post. WE DON'T SUPPORT DEMOCRACIES WE CRUSH THEM.
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Your talking points suck. Your rebutting style usually consists of taking a post like mine, and changing one word like its clever or something. Now you're even worse, repeating the same incredibly stupid phrase over and over.
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We didn't go to Iraq to establish democracy. You think its good that we went there and took Saddam out of power and put in place a democracy. That is bullshit. We hate democracies.
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THEN WHY DO WE HAVE ONE? Huh?
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Our government knows that these terrorists are in our borders. They talk with them, they protect them from the FBI.
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Good fiction, good fiction.
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And the only reason our policies have changed since 9/11 is to launch a massively successful propaganda campaign to scare the hell out of people so we will support anything the government does as long as it is eradicating terror.
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I smell a bad movie plot.
Enjoy your kool-aid.
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The recent 'terror threat' in London is a great example. It is ridiculous how much this was overblown. Ex-CIA intelligence experts say that the 'bombs' in those Mercedes would have done HORRIBLE damage...to the interior of the Mercedes. But of course the media and government display it as some kind of reaffirmation of the horrible threat posed to us by terror. It is working too, you've fallen victim to it, quite easily it seems too. You even justify wars with it, just like warmongers in Washington want you to.
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I don't trust the goverment, never did. Furthermore what does the way British media handleed the recent terror threat in London have to do with us?
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No, we shouldn't ever invade countries and occupy them for years and expend their natural resources.
To justify that you have to be a gung-ho patriot.
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I'm very anti-patriotism. This isn't about patriotism, its security and common sense.