^ those bands you mentioned are just as well known, maybe with a different crowd. but bands like ramones, nofx, used, clash, antiflag i think are all poppunk- but theres nothin bad about that. gc/simpleplan/greenday/blink theres lots of groups like that, some you like some you dont. who really cares whats popular or not? people who think these are the best punk clearly have no idea what theyre talkin about (and there arent too many people on this forum who think that way anyhow)
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