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Originally Posted by Tristan_Geoff
ur turning into Andrew Tate word salad, trans women are women and you are ignoring the facts of the matter. The fact in question is that men that hate trans people are often also attracted to them in secret. Domination over people's lives goes hand in hand with the patriarchal grip on society. It is reality, and if you did even a bit of research off biased and bigoted parts of the internet, you would find that the reason trans women are in a similar oppressed states to cis women is because they are indeed women. Trans men don't get the same treatment, because it's ok in society to be a man, but you put on a dress and get called a pervert, when the bible was right abt this kind of thing. Pluck your eyes out, heathen. You are contributing to the death of real people just trying to live their lives. This issue that you should not even have an opinion on as a cis man is multiplied by the fact that trans people existing has no detriment to you living your life.
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First of all,
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‘transwomen are women’ is... a statement of political positioning that functions like a profession of religious faith. It signals that the speaker is au fait with social justice ideology, and is therefore both up to date and progressive. And by putting a full stop to any further discussion, it functions as what Robert Jay Lifton, author of the 1961 book Thought Reform and the Psychology of Totalism: A Study of ‘Brainwashing’ in Communist China, called a ‘thought-terminating cliché’. In totalitarian regimes, he wrote, these ‘brief, highly reductive, definitive-sounding phrases . . . become the start and finish of any ideological analysis’.
Assessing the impact of gender-identity ideology on women takes more than repeating a mantra. And in fact it no longer has much to do with trans people at all.
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Re who gets to speak on what... I am a citizen of a liberal democracy (Canada) and I get to speak on whatever I see fit. "Only X gets to speak about X" (aka the village idiot version of standpoint epistemology), is unsustainable in a democratic society.
As I will never tire to repeat, the political demands of the trans movement (medicalization of gender nonconforming minors and the abolition of sex as a legal category) affect all of us.
Re the "homophobes are secret homosexuals" trope. I have no idea how true it is, I don't think I've ever seen it confirmed in the wild (or outside the 1999 Academy Award winning picture American Beauty). I suspect there are many who aren't. Above all, it doesn't seem like a useful thing to say to someone with homophobic prejudice if you want to help rid them of it.
Copying and pasting it to MTFs seems like something from a bad standup routine.
Though now that I think of it, it might as well be true about a certain type of guys. The only guys I know of who find MTFs attractive are porn-addicted losers along the lines of Batlord, and they are typically enthusiastically pro-trans. But it may well be that there's another type of porn-sick losers who also find MTFs attractive and hate them and themselves for it. This does sound completely plausible. So thank you for educating me, Tristan.