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Originally Posted by jwb
That's a cop out that is pretty emblematic of what I mean. If instead of getting into Jordan Peterson and self help let's say I just decided to sit around and vote for Bernie and hope eventually someday people will have free healthcare. That feels like a completely powerless and hopeless message to give. On an individual level even relatively bland advice like clean your room is infinitely more useful than believing in all the correct policies.
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Some nameless conservative guy in an interview once said "the Left is incapable of talking about any relationship other than government." which was his way of saying church, family, yada yada. But it's also true of things like this. People should be free to fly their freak flag, and also the government should help. Those are the two things they stand for. The Left abandoned a lot of the staples of society like, neighbors and communities because of course, those enforce norms, and we don't like norms because they get exclusionary.
When Peterson talks about psychology and the adjacent topics, he's not bad. Just basic. When he talks about politics it's not different than Sean Penn. You're a celebrity for non-political reasons, and now you're going to talk about politics. There doesn't need to be a Left-version of the kind of folks who help young men (which is needed, by the way) because helping young men become Men and not raging incels shouldn't be political. The real question is, why do all these people speaking to young men come up with a Right-wing bent? The only person I know who is out there, attempting to help people in this same vein is Ryan Holiday, though he is completely focused on the Stoics, and isn't targeting young males specifically.
But he's the only one who isn't trying to sell a cult of personality on the side. As for Andrew Tate, I have nothing positive to say.