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Old 05-01-2021, 08:23 PM   #6779 (permalink)
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It's okay to be confused. What I meant was that being able to describe a process doesn't mean that it was dictated.



Yep. Just like how reaction to stimuli is a clinical description of the word "choice." I've never disagreed with the idea that reaction to stimuli is what constitutes consciousness, I just think that being able to describe something isn't evidence against its existence—quite the opposite really.

I don't really ride for the phrase free will since it's based in religious hegemony so no argument there. The word consciousness works just as well.



You're the only one who introduced magic here. Maybe looking into what the words consciousness, choice, etc mean would be more useful than displacing them from their definitions but I'll let you take whatever approach you prefer. Pop scientists have made bank on your take.
If you were really that evolved then you'd just agree that free will was indeed just a nonsense descriptor of people feeling like they have choice. Your resistance to the idea of free will being an illusion paints you as a smart but still delusional moron who's searching for philosophical comfort you can use to paint what you want
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