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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls
I dont think there is enough science for either side to be making claims about the truth of the matter [of gender identity]
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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre
They only recently stopped considering it a mental illness so I'm guessing there is enough research to inform that decision.
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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls
Yeah, ill give it some time for more research. There are plenty of examples of ****ty science being used to set standards for non-scientific reasons. If you have some research or a meta-analysis to link id be interested in reading it. I didnt know this was a thing.
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Taking this to the appropriate thread because it's an interesting subject.
Outside of the fact that nonbinary and transgender people exist, the strongest evidence that I've seen against traditional gender roles as a natural product of sex comes from looking at the big picture. Just to get ahead of the classic kneejerk responses to the subject, I'd like to clarify that this is only about psychological differences between sexes, since physical expression of sex is a no brainer that is already covered by identifying sex. Basically, the range of psychological differences between sexes is insignificant compared to the range of psychological differences that are present within the sexes themselves. The drastic differences between expression and identity of femininity/masculinity/personality across cultures shows how much social influence is a confounding factor in gender expression and identity as well. Combine those two and psychological differences between sexes are minuscule in comparison to person to person psychological differences.
I think that identifying sex is realistic and important in medical situations but gender doesn't really exist beyond that. There doesn't really seem to be any standard that people should rely besides for being themselves and a lot of the time that will fall outside of traditional Western notions of femininity or masculinity. Either way, it doesn't hurt to be respectful of people's preferences.