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Old 07-19-2018, 08:43 PM   #160 (permalink)
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The difference between junkies and cancer patients is that the disease junkies suffer from does not make them sympathetic. Both have diseases that destroy them but the junkie's disease is one of the mind that is hard to conceptualize. I don't like associating with junkies either since my experience with them is that they are toxic to everyone they know, but that doesn't mean that they don't have a debilitating disease worthy of sympathy, no matter how galling it is to give them that sympathy.
I'll just agree to disagree with the first deleted part because there are plenty of examples in history of wage minorities creating positive change and revolutions, that I'm sure you're not ignorant of.

The difference between junkies and cancer patients is junkies gave themselves the disease. See my response to Elph.

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It was an honest series of questions. No need to be condescending. I get the feeling that you think I'm some extremist who wants to abolish all Capitalism, just because I recognize and acknowledge the human fuel such a system requires to function, even though you acknowledge it as well.

Btw, you and I seem to have similar lives. Worked since I was old enough, paid my way through college. I also try not to blame other people when I fuck up, and push myself to be better than I am.

I wasn't trying to say that you're a trust funder who has never worked hard, or whatever you seem to really want me to be implying.

My point was that the very fact that you and I were born in the most powerful nation in the world and were given the rare opportunity to even have a chance to succeed, to put our hard work to use in bettering ourselves and our situations, is an opportunity that was crafted from the misery of millions who were never given such an opportunity themselves. For people like us to "pull ourselves up by the bootstraps", millions have to go without. You've already agreed with this.



This is a really weird backtrack. You **** on Batlord and Elph, and then say that you're not jeering at anyone. Just own it. You look down on them. It's fine. Everybody on MD does.

And nah, not offended, just shooting the shit. Don't know why every internet debater has to throw up some "lol, u mad?" or "triggered" whenever they start to run out of steam. It's like whoever admits to actually being passionate about the topic is the loser by virtue of caring, 'cause only nerds care. Honestly, it's getting really boring.



Please show me where I advocated a band-aid fix in favor of a long term solution. Also please show me where I disregarded the power of human thought over the grand course of humanity's existence.

My point was that, specifically in the here and now, wage slaves in third world countries are given no chances to escape their caste. The mindset these people hold has virtually no correlation to their level of success. You've already agreed with this.

A person in our country, in the position that you and I were both born into, has more opportunities to succeed, and to have positive thinking and hard work affect their quality of life (though there still aren't any guarentees). Rising out of extreme poverty in the US can be done, even though it is oftentimes a matter of luck, of being fortunate enough to get out before various things permanently lock you into place. But the foundation of the economy and society that we both reap the benefits of, came from, and continues to come from, the unskilled labor of the international masses. You've already agreed with this as well.

In fact, we agree on pretty much everything. I think the main thing you take issue with is that you've come to the conclusion that I actually support overthrowing our Capitalist structure, or that I think human willpower is never relevant in any situation. I don't. I also don't think that every person living above poverty is evil, or that there aren't many people that make bad choices and negatively affect their own futures. Much more about adding various Socialist ideas and functions to our society to balance it in small but progressively effective ways. Especially when it comes to healthcare.
You asked me why I was jeering at them. I don't consider pointing out things they can improve jeering given the context of the conversation and the position I'm taking. I don't look down on them at all.

I responded that way because you saying that I should be thanking them or whatever implies exactly what you're denying. Perhaps it was said sarcastically, idk, I was just responding. And no that wasn't some sort of "u mad, bro?".

You seem to be missing the fact that I think success is relative to the reality you experience.

The last part was directed at Batlord, which I quoted him on, unless I ****ed up the post. I didnt check it after I commented.

Edit: Also, I don't think anything about you. I don't know you at all since you don't disclose, or I've missed the times when you did, much about yourself.
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