You're definitely after my Wall-of-Text crown, dude! Let's see here...
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Originally Posted by Nick1976
See, metal is MUSIC, it is not a religion or ideology.. If the sound is metal, then that's what it is, metal.
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I think you're the only one here arguing that. Nobody else, so far as I can see, has said metal is either of those things, though in fairness (and with more than a little of the tongue in cheek) did you know that in the last census there was a large percentage of people who put as their religion, "Metal"?
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It DOESN'T have to be about "death and pain", it can be about love, sex and MONEY.
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Again, nobody said it did. I find myself wondering have you even listened to any extreme metal? You sound like I was, about four to five years ago. It's a lot deeper and more varied than you're trying to make out.
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And that "looking like girls" ****, that's what it all about dude! That's what rock has been telling the world from the rise of rock'n roll in the 50's too now, REVOLUTION! Now your REAL metal let no talent mindless gold tooth rappers take over the music industry and the white girls in america. Way to Go!!
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Someone's butt is hurt. I guess you hate hip-hop then? That's fine: I did too, for a long time. That's your right. But it's unfair and also wrong to call rappers talentless. Could you do what they do? Look up "freestyle rap" on youtube sometime, then tell me there's no talent there.
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"Hair" metal was the best for two reasons. 1 it was incredibly fun, and people who would rather listening to screaming **** (which is not music)
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Biased and also wrong. Again, I used to be like you. I learned.
Now that's just insulting, misinformed and also wrong. You should be ashamed of yourself.
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Nirvana made everyone forget about talent and ended up creating a fake scene when they were starting off complaining about one. Their biggest hit is a pixies rip off. I say they suck, basically.
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I never liked Nirvana, but you're frankly an idiot if you call them talentless. Just because you don't like them doesn't mean they weren't decent musicians.
Get over yourself.
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Creating catchy music requiers talent.
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Not these days it doesn't. But substitute "good" for "catchy" and you might be right. One does not necessarily equal the other.
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Being an average, nu metal ish over-rated **** band doesn't.
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Again, biased and again wrong.
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If there is barely a tune to a song then it is actually very ****, it's as simple as that.
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Let me introduce you to Frownland, who will set you straight. And have you heard, by any chance, of John Cage's little-known opus, 4'33" I wonder?
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Metal has degraded to a bunch of fat coked up losers whining about how daddy hit him or how much he hates the world and has his little anger issues.
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I'm going to go out on a limb here and say you have listened to very few recent metal bands. You seem to know ****-all about them and are lumping them all together in a way that suits your world/musicview. Sad. Try listening to some. The lads will set you straight.
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Yes many 80's bands dressed like girls but hell that was SHOCKING at the time instead of "How can they draw that" it was "How can they wear that" the era got us out of the 70's disco faze which no one likes.
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Except for the millions of disco fans, or don't they count as anyone?
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Point being, 80's was the rise of half the genres of Metal we know today, plus a few of those bands remain after the 90's. By saying hair metal isn't metal is false because it isn't like **** now days, your wrong because when compared to the stuff of its era it really was metal. Glam metal is the real ****..it is music from the streets and portrayals of real events...if drugs girls and cars are thrown in the mix so be it...its all about the experiences they faced in the end..
Compare it to ****ing power metal...all i gotta say is J.K rowling called and she wants her ****ing story back. not to mention the over used solos which leaving you looking at your watch after 20 minutes wondering how ****ing long its gonna take. You know what,bands like Poison, Bon Jovi, and Motley Crue,have made 10 times as much money as any Death metal band. People liked 80's metal because it was fun to play and fun to listen to. You cant have a good time listening to a bunch of pussies whine because they can't get over their problems so they just get pissed and write songs about death. It's true that glam metal is full of over-the-top makeup and a lot of songs are dealing either with sex, either with partying, either women, either love, or even all of that together.
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Bolded: this is of course the most important thing and categorises a band as either good or bad, how much money they make. Taylor Swift must be ****ing awesome!
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But still, music-wise, Glam metal has always had in it ALL the things, that make a song METAL.
The riffing is metal. The chord voicings were metal. The soloing is metal. The drumming is metal.
Glam metal IS metal, because all it's instrumentation is METAL.
Shredding solos that use both modal and bluesy scales? Check. Driving,metallic riffs? Check. Double-bass drumming,cymbal chokes and metallic beats? Check.
Strong, booming bass, blasting out metal rhythms and occassional solos? CHECK.
Singers with vocal approaches(regardless of the vocal range) like: epic, soaring, operatic, raspy, rocking, controversial, shocking,etc? CHECK!!!!
Love it or hate it, but Glam metal IS metal. And A LOT of Glam metal bands had,and still have very good musicians. If one played in a Glam metal band andwanted to "make it", one had to be technically proficient with his/her instrument and work for it.
Well, i do admit that it wasn't ONLY about skill and dedication, it also had to do with attracting interest from women(and often having sex with them) and the media,but still, the dedication and skill were and still are the biggest parts of what was and still is required to be successful.
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Why are you still on about this? I don't think anyone has said anything to the contrary. Are you even reading the posts here, or did you just come here for a good old rant? Seems the latter to me.