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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre
When you make statements like 'people who like this don't really listen to music' it's no longer in a realm of subjectivity, now is it?
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It's more the fact that people appreciate music for different reasons. Some people only like quality emcees, others just want something on while they jog, others only want to listen to innovative music. We all interpret quality of music differently, therefore it's still subjective. I certainly have my own standards that the casual music listener does share in the slightest, but I'll tell those to you instead of just going "nyeh, popular" as you appear to be strawmanning here.
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You don't get to switch back and forth like that. I think artists objectively deserve some kind of recognition for what they have done regardless of if you like it or not.
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That's a conversation on influence which is much different from and more objective than quality. Maybe we're using different definitions for this. When I say quality, I just mean whether you think an album is good or bad. Even if that can be established objectively, popularity wouldn't be the tool to do so.
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Which is the difference between music appreciation and music enjoyment. Like I will never call ATCQ terrible artists because I appreciate what they have created, their legacy, their influence and their talent even though I don't particularly enjoy their music. Even their classics are really boring to me. I think popularity plays a part in that kind of validation whether you want to accept it or not.
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For quality? That makes no sense. If their music doesn't appeal to you, then you have no reason to deem it quality music.
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So when you invalidate the popularity of an artist because you claim the masses don't have as good of a taste as you do, that's not being subjective, that's honestly as lazy as using an artist's popularity in a discussion about your opinions.
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Idk about invalidating popularity since I will still recognize popular artists as such, but it is certainly idiotic to base your opinion of an artist on their popularity in either direction.