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Old 03-14-2017, 12:31 PM   #3165 (permalink)
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Got any proof of collusion between NBC and the Clinton campaign?
And Trump did the same thing by holding a press conference with rape accusers of Bill Clinton. The American politics.
i didn't say there was collusion, did i? i was just saying that kind of tactic is just as democratic as the russian attacks on hillary. the only difference being the source of the attack. but in spirit, it's all essentially just more information for the american voter come election time. so what is really the danger here?

do i think its shameful what happened? absolutely. i think the state of US cyber security is laughable and the russians put that on full display in 2016. forget shaming clinton for having a private server... the mere fact that washington even allowed her to do so in the first place is very telling.

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You really don't have a problem with all of the contacts between Trump staffers and the regime of a corrupt dictator in the months leading up to the election?
that really depends on what sort of contact they had

many have pointed out that the contact sessions had, for instance, might very well just have been a mundane extension of typical DC politics in his capacity as a congressman

even the most damaging case thus far, that of flynn, is vague considering we don't have the transcript of the conversation. all we know is he discussed lifting the sanctions obama imposed before leaving the whitehouse. perhaps he spoke out of turn here, and he definitely did **** up and open the trump regime up to a flurry of attacks and scrutiny and thus deserved to be fired. that being said... i agree with lifting the sanctions on russia. i agree with improving relations with russia. i see more potential for something positive there than i do in doubling down on the sort of arrogant neo-liberal foreign policy that was dragging us into the second cold war.

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Maybe in 2020 we should reach out to North Korea and Iran?
no, reaching out to iran would be crazy. what kind of madman would make a deal with such brutes? oh wait...
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