Originally Posted by riseagainstrocks

I'm still struggling with what defines them as 'punk' as opposed to 'rock'. That's the question that has to answered for this argument to be settled. Is punk defined along musical lines? Or is it lyrics and ethos? Can't say I'm familiar with 'No wave', '2 tone' or 'crunkcore' but all the others are easily classified as rock music. Truly not trying to be difficult here. I've gone through this thread and no one is defining what they think the punk sound is (outside of a conversation about downstrokes). I think we need more clarity and distance between 'punk' and 'rock', otherwise it's going to keep being 'u.' 'no u.' 'no u!'