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Originally Posted by elphenor
last post wasn't really responding to you but:
musically they lack what the real difference between a rock band and a punk band is
dissonance or noise
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Ok.
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you get these things not because you play power chord riffs but because your production is lofi and your equipment is cheap and your singer can't sing on key and nobody has a real sense of keeping time nor could they give a **** about it
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Apparently you never their heard early stuff.
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at they same time it's separate from say exp music as punk bands have always embraced pop
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Revisionism. The whole point of punk was to reject mainstream. That's what the sound was born from. Pop punk bands take that sound and use it in a more mainstream way.