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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls
I like plenty of underground artists I think are not good lyricists. I might find what they say entertaining or whatever but there is nothing deep or clever.
Jedi Mind Tricks, immediately comes to mind.
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yea... i know you like rappers that are **** lyricists, while criticizing other 'mainstream' rappers for being **** lyricists. most hip hop elitists commit this hypocracy... they rep dre, snoop, odb, etc and then when presented with jeezy or gucci or some**** they say nah he sucks hes not lyrical/only talks about sexmoneydrugs/all the other bull**** that old hip hop heads used to say about dre & co when they first came out too. it's hilarious to me how transparently fake this **** is to me yet you guys keep pretending like it's a legit stance to take.
just what you said about finding them entertaining without necessarily thinking the lyrics are particularly clever/deep/etc... that's how you appreciate any rapper, including the trap guys. what you have to look for are subtle clues, slang, themes... that they employ to craft a certain image that they project. remember that hip hop is by its very nature a genre based on a sort of hunger/poverty fueled braggadocio work ethic. thus the role of an 'mc' is to win over the crowd. and this tradition extends into the g-funk west coast gangsta scene as well as the roughneck dark grimey rape-alley east coast boom bap ****.
old legends like scarface and kool g rap introduced the criminal perspective to rap music. biggie smalls really refined that trend into the hip hop cliche of projecting the image of a merciless coke lord with the world by the ball. jay picked up that torch and fleshed out the narrative. carter era wayne was a ressurection of that ghost, the lyrical d-boy who uses rap music as his diary. he actually came out after a good 5 or 6 years of southern club music with little to no focus on lyrical content. lil jon & co, the crunk era... that was an extension of the no limit lead transition towards dirty south domination... which was in turn an extention of the previous transition towards west coast g-funk domination. wayne actually reintroduced lyricism to the mainstream with those records. and now there's a new generation of lyrically oriented rappers in modern mainstream hip hop... including drake, danny brown, kendrick lamar, etc
so when you say "show me variety" or "show me innovation" i'll just point back to the long legacy of hip hop which has always been about rehashing old material with a new twist. the genre was literally born out of rehashing and remixing old funk and soul anthems. there's nothing wrong with innovation, but there's also nothing wrong with building on what has already been established.
****... for example jedi mind tricks... those guys are an extension of wu tang's legacy to the same degree that wayne is an extension of biggie/jay's
i'm not saying you must like x artist or whatever... but i get the idea that you guys are just following counter cultural trends to diss the mainstream. just the impression i get tbh
and micco no offense bro, i like you and you like a lot of the same **** i do, but how are you gonna say you have every hip hop album of note from 79-95 and then turn around and say you don't know too $hort or slick rick? what up with that bro