fiddler

That seems to be a common attitude and I think a lot of it comes from the general lack of upbringings of other people's children. I could be mistaken, of course, but it seems like to me part of the appeal factor dropping for having kids or not having kids is their overall behavior. Kids can be well behaved, but it depends on how you raise them. I mean sure, they're messy, and loud, but those are some of the best memories you're ever going to have. It's a pleasure and honor to see your kid grow up and know that you had some part in hopefully making them a good person and functioning adult.

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