It seems that we both just have different ideas of what a healthy forum should be. I personally think that we control ourselves well enough that we don't need these new enforcement measures. I can understand your point of view, thinking that a code of law set in stone would benefit everyone, even if I think that such a code is much more soulless than the fluid set that has gotten Music Banter this far. I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree, and let others decide for themselves how they feel about it.
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Of course a thief may not want rules about stealing to be enforced. If you have a lawless sitaution, over time you may accumulate a lot of thieves and when the day comes for enforcing old rules, many will complain.
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Cracking down on all of Music Banter for the petty things that occasionally go down in The Lounge is less like raiding a thieves den, and more like putting an entire city under martial law just because one neighborhood has a mild crime problem.
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I still think drama and bad culture is highly visible. Threads with drama spend more time near the top of new threads. They spend more time being the thread with the latest post and I do think it spills over in other threads. Either directly or indirectly in that the tone in a drama thread sets precedent for tone in other threads. If you disagree, that's fine.
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I don't have to disagree; Music Banter does it for me. Just look at all of the current threads. Even though we just went through one of the most tense moments in recent history, with Urban leaving after I pushed him too far, things are already back to normal. The members here would have had every right to bash me in every thread, yet almost all of the fighting was confined to just one. And even then, most members either ignored the thread completely, or went in purely to calm things down.
It didn't spill out. And though it made people tense, it ultimately didn't affect anything. Last night's fight in the "Your Day" thread got pretty nasty as well, but pretty much everyone has already moved past it, and it also didn't affect the Music Forums. The members here are much more mature and responsible than your "den of thieves" analogy makes them out to be. They self-moderate, and they do a pretty good job of it. They have proven that there is no need to put restrictions on them.
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Also, part of your argument can be turned on its head. If it's only a few members who are unruly, then it's only a few that would really be affected by my suggestion. That means it's easier to implement.
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Look, I get your point, I really do. If people have nothing to hide, than why should they be worried about more strict moderation, right? I'm sorry, but I just don't agree with that. It's the same argument that a pushy cop makes. "Who cares if I pat people down every chance I get? If they've got nothing to hide than it shouldn't matter." "Why won't you let me into your car/house without a warrant? You've got nothing to hide, right?" In theory, you might think they're correct to say that, since an innocent person shouldn't have a reason to not jump through their hoops. But they're also stressing people out, restricting them from going about their day, and so on. The only way to justify the pushy behavior is if it actually does help things, but in the case of MB, we already self moderate to the point where constant pat downs would just be a fruitless annoyance. We've proven that even when really bad things happen, we don't let it go too far.