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Old 01-29-2015, 09:15 PM   #29 (permalink)
Xurtio
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Originally Posted by Mondo Bungle View Post
I just think it doesn't really matter if free will (whatever that even is) exists or not. I can still do what I feel
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Originally Posted by John Wilkes Booth
it matters to philosophers and people like that. it doesn't matter if all you are concerned about is that you can do stuff you feel like doing.
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Originally Posted by The Batlord
For freewill to exist, the basic laws of the universe have to be broken.
I pretty much agree with all of these statements.

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To me, for freewill to exist, then randomness also must.
Well, randomness might exist, some argue, at the quantum level (which may be the case) and proponents of "Quantum Consciousness" (which I personally don't buy, especially with one of the author's peddling it under spirituality language) will argue that QM is free will's last chance or whatever. Most neuroscientists assume the brain is basically a classical object. Most quantum physicists don't buy Penrose's OR-Orch (which is basically highly speculative QM theory based around justifying consciousness as a QM process).

But, I'd think that randomness would be even more useless to free will, anyway. How can an organism ever build memories or use them in a consistent way if they are random? I suppose though, that free will would appear as random to us until we asked the subject why it made that decision.
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