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Originally Posted by James
It doesn't matter what I think feminism is, totally irrelevant. The point is she's brought it into the mainstream, and that will be having an affect on many young girls (and boys) even unconsciously.
Stage shows, what makes a classic album, a groundbreaking song - that's all subjective and not what makes an icon in my book. An icon speaks to a large body of people, changes things.
Beyonce is one of the biggest stars right now, and she certainly has potential to keep the momentum going. As well as looking strong and sexually liberated, her and Jay have this kind of Liz Taylor and Richard Burton power couple thing going on.
I love Countdown, one of my favourite songs of the last few years. The video is beautifully shot. The cuts are seem less and some of the decor and dancing is really interesting. Influenced by a variety of different styles. And she's certainly not half'naked and 'booty shaking' (which is dancing BTW, by definiton).
Hell, even the song is pretty cool the way it frequently changes tempo and time signature.
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I think it matters because just because a singer is marketed as being one thing does not necessarily mean people are going to agree with how is being branded.
The reason why I asked you what your definition of feminism was and if you understand the meaning of it is because not all girls, women, people look at her as an accurate representation of what feminism is despite that being something she tries to "brand"
Also she is not the first to coin the phrase in the mainstream.
I still disagree with your argument that her bringing up feminism automatically means she will be legendary when there have been artists before her that were actual feminists and actually cared about social issues i.e. Aretha Franklin.
Coining a social term is more than just calling yourself a feminist and has more to do with how you implement the term with actions which Beyonce does not do lol She does not sing about social issues or equality. Her music is nothing more but generic disposable music.
Your making her fancy title of her "brand" more meaningful than what it actually is.
I think Iconic moments, legendary status and classic music is determined by the Public and so far she is not really viewed as any of these things by the public besides being popular. I never hear any of her of old songs play on the radio or her old music videos playing on television.
I am still bewildered with how her music is so groundbreaking and innovative.
I often hear people cite her being overrated more than anything else and I know fans of hers that think the same way as well.
You really don't think Beyonce is overly sexual explicit and provocative on stage and in her videos? Have you seen her latest videos?
You can like her but come on and I do not think what she does is dancing. She does not do intricate, rehearsed or complicated choreography.
Shaking your ass is not dancing.
I really appreciate your opinions!!!