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Old 11-11-2014, 08:11 PM   #6 (permalink)
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I do think she is quite overrated but she is iconic. Her image and her music has inspired countless young girls into feminism. .
Thanks for yours opinions!

Dressing half naked in music videos and parading around sexually is feminism to you?

Is that feminism to you because her brand markets it as such or is it feminism because that is what YOU think feminism is?

According to the real theory of feminism that is not what it represents.

She doesn't represent feminism and she has not "influenced girls towards feminism" that is just a fancy term she titled for her brand.

Its called marketing. I would advise you to look up what the term feminism actually means. I actually was meaning to start a thread on it here related to that in regards to music.

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The way her persona has been created is an art in itself almost.
How so?

She comes across very vapid, boring and shows no charisma off stage.

So not sure how her is "persona" Iconic

Her stage persona is definitely not original which is why I don't get your legendary assumptions. She pretty much copies from Tina Turner and Janet Jackson. I also do not think she is a good dancer. Booty shaking is not dancing.

An example of an artist who had an Iconic persona would be Michael Jackson. He had a larger than life persona but that is because he was unique, had charisma and was interesting Beyonce is neither of those things.


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Her music videos and live performances have led her to be one of the most powerful and strongest women in the world right now.
Beyonce has million dollar marketing but none of her albums have sold above 5 million. Her album sells are poor and being popular at the at the moment still does not necessarily make someone an Icon.


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That iconic image certainly shines through in her music too.
IMO it does not. Her music is very boring as well as her personality.
She is not "interesting." Hell, Janelle Monae has a more interesting persona and of course music.


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And to boot she's got some great songs.
If that is your opinion I can respect it but I think her music sucks and she doesn't have any classic albums or songs.

Where is the Iconic groundbreaking music that will be remembered like the previous Icons before her?

She is just hype.

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I firmly believe songs like Crazy In Love and especially Countdown are iconic and will one day be legendary
I don't think those songs are groundbreaking enough to call them legendary. Those songs simply have not impacted music to the point they are impeded in our culture.
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