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Originally Posted by Trollheart
I'm not denying the presence of music, and I'm not saying grindcore is not music. The point you seem to be gleefully ignoring is that I'm saying I don't see it as music. It does not qualify as music to me. If I say baseball's a stupid sport, I don't see it as sport at all, I'm not denying that it IS a sport, just that it doesn't qualify or satisfy the admittedly somewhat arbitrary criteria I have set for myself to recognise it as such. It would be just as silly for you to say "but baseball is a sport. You can't deny that" if I were to say "I don't see baseball as a sport" as it is for you to be picking apart my opinion as if it has no merit or value, just because it happens not to coincide with yours.
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See, this is what confuses me. Why would you say you don't see baseball as a sport when you do acknowledge that it is in fact a sport? I mean, believe me, I think baseball is one of the most boring things on earth so I think you and I share similar feelings about it, but nevertheless it clearly contains all the attributes that constitute a sport. So why would you say it isn't one as some sort of value judgement? Are you saying that intellectually you recognize that baseball is a sport and grindcore is music, but they just don't hit you that way on a gut level?
Also, just to be clear here, because I've recently learned that there's a sensitive soul in Michigan who thinks I'm insulted by music disagreements: I enjoy having these kind of debates and discussions with you, Trollheart, and am not insulted or irritated or anything other than pleased to engage in them. You're one of my favorite people to talk to on MB in part because we tend to approach a given musical thing from different angles. I respect your opinions and your right to have them but I do very much enjoy debating them with you.