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Old 10-13-2014, 11:49 AM   #104 (permalink)
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Define "dissing". Calling someones opinion '****ty' would be the equivalent of being dissed around where I come from, and saying you're not 'dissing' someone when you clearly did is called back pedaling. I can understand what you were talking about, ie TH's dislike or defining a genre as not music, but how can one person's opinion be a bad opinion? Based on what YOU perceive? Your opinion of his opinion relies solely on your personal perception of the matter. It is NOT fact, it is OPINION.
What I was saying. I'm not saying you should accept that my opinion is right, any more than I accept yours, but you have to accept it as an opinion. It is not ****ty just because you say it is --- and perhaps Frown agrees, though maybe I'm being too harsh there. It's a bit disingenuous to use the sweaters analogy: obviously, these are physical items and their existence and categorisation as what they are can no more be denied than you can deny the sky is, you know, way up there or that the moon shines at night. But music is not a physical thing. You can't, to quote Johnny Cash, see it with your eyes (and I don't mean musical notation) or hold it in your hands: you can see/hold the physical manifestations of it (songs, tunes, guitars, piano etc) but not music as a physical entity.

I'm not denying the presence of music, and I'm not saying grindcore is not music. The point you seem to be gleefully ignoring is that I'm saying I don't see it as music. It does not qualify as music to me. If I say baseball's a stupid sport, I don't see it as sport at all, I'm not denying that it IS a sport, just that it doesn't qualify or satisfy the admittedly somewhat arbitrary criteria I have set for myself to recognise it as such. It would be just as silly for you to say "but baseball is a sport. You can't deny that" if I were to say "I don't see baseball as a sport" as it is for you to be picking apart my opinion as if it has no merit or value, just because it happens not to coincide with yours.

Whether you like it or not, my opinion is mine and once again I say you have no call to be calling it ****ty, and then try to pretend you were not dissing it, which as Plankton says you clearly were. At least have the courage of your convictions and admit that was what you were doing. I have to say, I'm losing more respect for you with every post you make on this. You really should just say sorry and leave it at that; I would.

We can agree to disagree, but rudeness is rudeness and is something I will not tolerate or accept, from anyone.
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“All opinions are not equal. Some are a very great deal more robust, sophisticated and well supported in logic and argument than others.”

- Douglas Adams
Contextualise please. Adams was a satirist, and this could just as easily be a piece of misdirection, not meant literally. Even if it is, so what? What does that prove? You may as well say "All men are created equal, but some are created more equal than others". As in all things, one man or woman's opinion does not necessarily make that statement any more true or false, or valid.
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