Okay let me see if I can address this. First off though, as I said, this is all friendly debate and you're as entitled to your opinions as I am. The moment it gets too personal or turns into anything too serious I'll just say that's it. Don't want punch-ups in my journal!
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Originally Posted by Ninetales
Why would a record label take you on if they didnt think they could make money off of you? Like it or not that's how business is run, even back with The Beatles. You're oversimplifying how hard it is to actually get to that point while not considering the vast majority that dont get close. It's an incredibly small sample that actually makes it (and even smaller when considering how many actually become famous).
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You look at the lines that form outside the audition centres (or am I mixing this up with American Idol? Meh, same difference) --- sure, not everyone there will be seen (or will they? I've never been that sure about the concept. Does every single applicant get a chance --- even if they're not televised --- or do they whittle it down to a few hundred or whatever?) but all they have to do is sing and they'll be considered. Now sure, singing on TV is hard but nobody gives this kind of chance to a band on the road, gigging day in day out, or working in a studio on a shoestring hoping to attract the attention of one of the majors. It may not be guaranteed, but the sequence CAN be: put on your shoes, go down to the centre, audition, be picked, go through to the next round. For a struggling band there is no such certainty or even possibility. They could be playing for years before being recognised, if ever.
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This baffles me. How is practicing for years as a singer and then trying out for a global competition easy? It's the exact same as trying to get noticed through labels, just on TV. You're putting yourself out there. Just because it's publicised more doesnt make it easier.
Do you think the people that win X Factor never practiced or trained for it?
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No, it's not, as detailed above. This is like lining up ten struggling bands in front of a major label and choosing one to --- hold on a moment! I have an idea for a reality TV show! --- they know one of them, or some of them, will make it. In reality, a band can go for years and never be recognised or they could end up splitting before hitting the big time. And remember, all these people are doing is singing cover songs. They're not (mostly) playing instruments or writing their own songs. It's the TV equivalent of singing in the shower, just Cowell happens to be there (now THERE'S an image you don't want in your head!) X Factor makes kids think they can become famous overnight --- and some can --- but the flip side is nobody is bothered then to take the harder, honest route of trying to make it on their own merits. Like I said: here's a studio, etc. It's all laid out there for them and all they have to do is turn up and perform. Bah! Kids today!
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Everyone has a chance to be on X Factor or American Idol or the like. If you dont want to that's your choice. You are actively choosing to not go on because of whatever reasons you have. But it's not entitlement to not want to be in a band. It's crazy to think that everyone who just "wants to get famous" does. In reality not that many do.
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Yes it is. They think they don't NEED to be in a band, or do gigs, all they need to do is apply. Sure a small percentage only get chosen, but have they worked the hard long nights, had things thrown at them, cut their teeth and learned the ropes? Have they
fuck! Half of them wouldn't even know what the inside of a workingman's club looks like! So if they then become famous, what right have they to talk later, in biographies and blogs and interviews, about how they've paid their dues? They haven't. They're like the boss's son or daughter who came right in at the top and hadn't to work for anything in their lives. Pricks.
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I wonder, do you think that winning the lottery means you are a less deserving millionaire? Luck plays a role in everything, but how many of those bands that scrounge around for any small venue show would make it big on X Factor? My guess is it's just as small an amount as the ones that made it from playing shows back in your day.
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This bit I don't understand. What has the lottery got to do with anything? Fair play to anyone who wins, I have no problem with that. But how does that even tie into your, or my, argument here?
The other part, yeah of course some bands would not make it on X Factor, which is my point exactly. They wouldn't have what the show was looking for, but they could be ten times better than some of the twats on there, and being picked. Course, they could also be a bunch of talentless wankers.
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(also yeah im pretty new to this journal thing, and i dont know if im doing im doing this right haha.)
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Yeah you're doing fine. Bit of healthy debate is the lifeblood of all journals. Just ask Unknown Soldier or Batlord...