Originally Posted by WhateverDude

The thing about being in one of the biggest musical projects in recent history is that you don't have to know the members personally to know who they were and what they were about. Documentaries, interviews, etc. all confirm what he's saying. The Ramones were a bunch of tough, working class kids from New York who didn't want to be a cover band (the only other option at the time to being a rock star virtuoso), couldn't play like Led Zeppelin, and who wanted to make something different. That ethos was shared by many other bands at the time and is what lives on today. People still feel that way and still have managed to make new and interesting Punk music that sounds different nearly 40 years after Punk's alleged 'Death'. Phil Spector is a HUGE influence on The Ramones, ESPECIALLY on Joey. After they kicked out Tommy as both a drummer and producer, they hired Phil to produce End of the Century. He produced on most of Joey's solo records, too. Do you not know who Phil Spector is? Let me enlighten you:

He invented the "Wall of Sound" approach to production, basically defining 60s pop as well as laying ground work for Shoegaze, Noise Rock, etc.
He's worked with everyone from Tina Turner to The Crystals to The Beatles to The Ramones.
He has a crazy ass hair-do.
He is in jail for shooting a woman in the mouth. Maybe it should've been you.

Every time someone counters your ridiculous hypothesis with FACTS disproving your claims you either ignore them or respond by denying those fact's relevance. You can't make a claim and then filter out any information that inconveniences your claim's agenda- that's called propaganda you ****ing fascist and there's a reason only brain-washed zombies believe it.

I leave you with this:

Originally Posted by eraser.time206

If you can't deal with the fact that there are 6+ billion people in the world and none of them think exactly the same that's not my problem. Just deal with it yourself or make actual conversation. This isn't a court and I'm not some poet or prophet that needs everything I say to be analytically critiqued.